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  • froggnot froggnot Sep 23, 2013 3:10 PM Flag

    Are politicians learning that voters may have their own "red line"?

    After watching the Sunday talk shows, I learned that the real problem with the defund movement (according to the establishment politicians, regardless of party, and the establishment media) is that a grassroots movement not sanctioned by the ruling class (i.e., politicians and media) diminishes the dominion and importance of both.

    Further, if a movement like this is allowed to continue, politicians and media might have to start doing their jobs:

    o Politicians might decide that the go along to get along pattern of the past is being questioned, and that they may have to start reading the laws they pass, and assessing the intended and unintended consequences of their actions.

    o The media may decide that being the propaganda arm for the ruling class has its own unintended consequences, and that news reporting requires a little bit more than the recitation of talking points and soft ball questions for favored politicians.

    And the real problem for both is that because of this little populace movement, people are discovering that they have the power to not only defund an unpopular law, but they also have the power to defund ineffective politicians and their sycophantic propagandists in the media.

    If nothing else, the Sunday talk shows showed how important it is that the "defund movement" be stopped both now and in the future.

    "In your heart you know he is right."

    The Frogg

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    • I learned something was wrong with this government a long time ago. First, in Korea, secondly I attended a CA. State Republican Convention in 1964 and saw first hand how it was rigged by those at the top. Delegates were there simply for show. Democrat Party is run the same way. Voting by the public is often rigged too. I remember my Grandfather telling me when he was a deputy Sherriff in the South of helping the Sherriff stuff ballot boxes. Thiswas in the 1890's. It's been going on for a long time by self styled "Elites" that know better than you and I.

    • " I learned that the real problem with the defund movement "

      The real problem with the defund movement is that after 4 years of relentless lies and propaganda, public opinion on the ACA hasn't budged. The real problem with the defund movement is that Americans are tired of Congressional economic brinksmanship. The real problem with the defund movement is that Americans are decidedly against it, regardless of their feelings about Obamacare.

      The real problem is people like you live in la-la land.

    • Suppose the Senate were to return the budget to the House with Obama Care restored. Then suppose the House were to take Obama care funding out again and also defund the Department of Education, the Department of Homeland Security, and OSHA. Then return it to the Senate as a BALANCED BUDGET. Now there will be no need for raising the debt limit. Given the chance, I think most Americans would vote for that.

    • Today's professional politicians will pander to their home audience and say whatever they think their constituents want to hear starting about 6-12 months prior to an election. If reelected, they will then return to Washington and act in a manner that will maintain any power they have within the walls of Congress or that will gain them that power. They are always looking at the next election cycle and making assessments of their future in Washington or what their time in Washington can do to ensure their financial, public, and power future’s outside the halls of Congress.

      What the people want them to do, what is the right thing to do both morally and professionally are secondary considerations and made with all the above interests in mind.

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