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  • froggnot froggnot Mar 7, 2014 1:40 PM Flag

    "Not a smidgen!"

    In a recent interview our "dear leader" stated the following when asked about an IRS scandal:

    "He said there was “not even a smidgen of corruption” linked to the IRS practice of discriminating against conservative and Christian organizations by delaying their applications for tax-exempt status."

    He also pointed out:

    The IRS officials who targeted Christians and conservatives were simply confused about how to implement laws governing tax-exempt groups.

    You see there is no there there.

    Wait a minute, yesterday Ms. Lois Lerner gave testimony before congress regarding the practice of the IRS's targeting of conservative and Christian organizations. Surely she was able to clear all of this up and support our "dear leader's" assertions that there was "not even a smidgen of corruption"

    Well now, according Ms. Lerner (a former IRS official) her way to clear up all of this talk about "smidgens" was to make the following point:

    “My counsel has advised me that I have not waived my Constitutional rights under the Fifth Amendment and on his advice I will decline to answer any question on the subject matter of this hearing,”

    Well there you go "not a smidgen" and copping the fifth.

    That sure cleared things up a bunch (a bunch is bigger than a smidgen by the way).

    "In your heart you know he is right."

    The Frogg

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    • A little update:

      "Under threat of subpoena from Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.), the Internal Revenue Service now says it will "turn over emails and other documents from Lois Lerner"

      Depending on the content, there may be a possibility that her testimony won't be necessary. and they will be able to go directly to the grand jury stage of the process.

      I guess time will tell.

      "In your heart you know he is right."

      The Frogg

    • if this was a case of the govt using the IRS for political reasons it would hardly be the first.

      • 2 Replies to kafkaclone
      • And that is cause for forgiveness? What about transparency and truth? Just because someone else has done it, doesn't make it right or a forgiven crime.

      • "If this was a case of the govt using the IRS for political reasons..."

        If?

        I guess our "dear leader" must have made false statements when he said on May 14, 2013:

        "The federal government must conduct itself in a way that's worthy of the public's trust, and that's especially true for the IRS. The IRS must apply the law in a fair and impartial way, and its employees must act with utmost integrity. This report shows that some of its employees failed that test,"

        He further stated that he had directed U.S. Secretary of Treasury Jack Lew "to hold those responsible for these failures accountable."

        All of this took place after Lois Lerner, director of tax-exempt organizations for the IRS, acknowledged that the IRS had targeted some groups for further review because they had those words in their names.

        If?

        Denial is not a river in Egypt.

        As to the point about Ms. Lerner receiving "death threats leveled at her and her family".

        I must admit that if I were in her position I might also fear for the lives of myself and family, because people in government have for a long time used intimidation and scare tactics to keep witnesses from giving testimony that might negatively effect their ability to keep and maintain power (e.g., check out the 1998 Clinton cover up, or the Nixon Watergate cover up).

        So yes, and knowing the Chicago way, Ms. Lerner may be justified with her fears.

        "In your heart you know he is right."

        The Frogg

    • What would you do if you were repeatedly dragged before a partisan lynch mob?

      I see no reason why you wouldn't take her at her word. She believes she is being politically targeted, she has received a tide of death threats leveled at her and her family, she does not think the Issa panel will give her a fair hearing and that ANYTHING she says will be twisted and used to slander her in the press.

      And I agree with her. There is certainly far, far more evidence for her position than for Issa's. In fact, there is no evidence for Issa's position after multiple investigations. That is why he is maliciously targeting an innocent person and why she is using her Constitutional rights to protect herself.

      • 5 Replies to t.ricky33
      • To quote John Stuart Mill;

        “Truth emerges from an unfettered competition of ideas and individual character is most improved when allowed to find its own way uncoerced.”

        The truth of this matter is not fully known. How can you say that she is being targeted? She was in charge. It happened on her watch. She will not share what was going on and will not testify. Her actions certainly don’t generate a strong perception of good character.

        If this were a Bush administration employee, she would have been tarred and feathered already and they would be attempting to impeach Bush. Innocent of what? Guilty of what? We can't tell because she won't tell.

      • "She believes she is being politically targeted" Targeted for what? Targeted for the truth? Targeted because she broke the law? Repeatedly dragged before a lynch mob? She has been called what, twice and both times refused to tell the truth. And that is on the Republicans? The Republicans didn't target certain groups for delay and refusal of their rights.

        This lady gets and deserves no sympathy until she tells the truth. Let he negotiate a deal, give her immunity, but make her tell the truth. Is the 5th amendment part of the Obama 'transparency' campaign?

        Where there is smoke, there is fire or a liar.

      • " In fact, there is no evidence for Issa's position after multiple investigations. "

        Other than the fact that the truth is not being shared under the rules of an investigation. When you investigate and the facts aren't shared, when people go out of their way to hide facts, to threaten witnesses, then one has to assume that there is more to be learned. The fact that Issa keeps asking questions and getting stone walled is proof that the truth is not being shared. Why?

      • " There is certainly far, far more evidence for her position than for Issa's." As I understand it, she has refused to state her position and Issa is just trying to get the facts. What am I missing?

      • The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
        ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

    • If there is no corruption, nothing being done wrong, then what is this lady hiding?

      If Obama hasn't done anything wrong and there is in fact nothing being or had been done wrong, then he should be counseling this lady to tell the whole truth. Surely being the intelligence, experienced attorneys he and his spouse claim to be, they should fully understand the consequences of silence in this matter.

      The question still jumps out…what is she hiding and who is instructing her to hide it?

    • echo2l65@ymail.com echo2l65 Mar 7, 2014 2:44 PM Flag

      Yes frogg .. and WOW, when that over-baked democratic pillsbury doughboy insisted his turn to question her (?) .. didn't he understand that pleading the fifth is just like 'lawyering-up' ?

      So why did he continue to rant & rave ? (smiles) ... I didn't understand that at all :-}

      • 1 Reply to echo2l65
      • "So why did he continue to rant & rave ?"

        IMHO he was doing what all good members of the democrat party always do when they have lost any argument:

        o Never engage in a conversation with the enemy (i.e., Republicans)
        o Always change the subject
        o deaminize your opponent
        o Make race part of the dialogue
        o Make the accused a victim

        I could go on, but it is all in "Rules for Radicles".

        The honorable Elijah Cummings (as have all members of his party) has practiced and perfected these tactics over the years, and is enabled by his friends in the MSM.

        In the case of Mr. Cumming,s rant, he successfully made his rant and the supposed bad manners of Mr. Issa the story of the weekend, not the fact that a government employee is (by her own actions) hiding illegal actions on her part and possibly illegal actions on the part of those who are in her chain of command.

        IMHO the real story should be the fact that Representative Issa fell for these tactics and wasn't prepared.

        To date Republicans have and may never understand that if you are going to fight with a democrat you have to learn how to fight like a democrat.

        "In your heart you know he is right."

        The Frogg

    • Wait----wait----wait-----It all depends on what your definition of a "smidgen" is-----is-----is-----is!

    • Obama's batting average for telling the truth is much smaller than a smidgen. In fact it would take a very powerful microscope to view his batting average. He doesn't have to take the fifth; he just doesn't show up in court when subpoenaed.

 
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