Harley has no casting capabilities in house now
or in the past for that matter. Foundry work just
isn't one of their CORE COMPETANCIES. This is not
unusual for a manufacturer.
The company does
however machine most of the castings that it buys. They
also grind all of their transmission gears shafts and
cams. Thats just the Milwaukee area Powertrain
York and Kansas City stamp fuel tanks and fenders and
manufacture all of the frames, swingarms and oil
Fairings, windshields, saddle bags and side cars are made
at the company's plant in Tomahawk
The company does all of their own assembly. All of
the manufacturing employees are well paid union labor
who can afford to purchase the products that they
make. Harley has a high percentage of "value added"
The company also does all of thier own styling,
design engineering, testing and development at the new
210k square foot Product Development
Now as far as the look a likes aka Titan, Big Dog,
etc. go, none, nada, zip, zero produce their own
engines. Most of them use S&S or Edelbrock or Sputhe.
Imitation may be the highest form of flattery, in this case
about $500 million per year. Just keep in mind H-D
raised the bar several notches this year and the
copycats now have to scramble to keep up. I suspect that
they may be scrambling for many years to
JS very long on HDI
I have some friends on the Boston PD who in the
past have told that they buy there bikes from HD of
Boston. I'm going to make a few calls to see if I can
find out were their old bikes end up. I'll let you
know what I find.
It is no longer Cycle Craft, but HD of Boston.
Mark O'neil is the sales rep in charge of police motor
cycle sales. I called today but he won't be in until
Tuesday. The number is 617-878-8888. Mark will know when
the next batch will be in. The lead on bikes in
Dallas was a bust. $16,000 for a 1998 Road King with
5-12000 miles on it, too rich for my blood. Anybody else
have any leads?
When I was in Boston, one dealership would get
the used police bikes. Their last sale was 1988
models with 19-35,000 miles on them. Price ranged from
$3500-8500 depending on how banged up they looked. None of
them smoked or knocked. I don't care how bad they look
since I can do the body and paint work and some
Can anyone tell where there is dealer in
the south that does something similar?
You're right to bad we did'nt have H.D. stock
back even twenty years ago, but it would have been
good to have bought a thousand shares back in the
sixties, when it might have been a penny stock. Harley's
have increased a whole lot in value, the price of beer
has gone up, the only thing that remains the same is
the price of riddin in the door of a beer joint,
nothing to start with. It never has cost me nothin and
I'd like to have a hundred dollars for every beer
joint I'd rode in over the years. I mean riddin through
the front door. The attitudes in the beer joint can
make a big difference on having a sucessful beer joint
ride or not. Hope We all make enough to buy a few beer
joints on HDI stock. Good Luck.
In one door and out another without anyone in the
place hitting your kill switch; otherwise you were
buying a lot of beer that night. I seem to remember
things like this happening in a little town in the Black
Hills years ago before the townies turned it into a
shopping mall. (But then I remember when sex was safe and
motorcycles weren't). Bikes were cheap and beer was cheeper.
To bad we didn't have HD stock back then ha!
Flat tracking is alright but riding in and out of
beer joints can be a real challenge, depending on the
beer joint different kinds of obsticles are
encountered. You may just ride around the pool table
twice,after riding through the front door, grab a beer off
the bar and ride out the back door or some drunk
could try to brain you with a beer bottle. The
bartender could call the law or try to bounce you, which
would be hard to do while you're still on you're Hog.
Beer joint riding can be hazardous, Harley riders
should be warned I know from years of experience. It can
be fun though.
you're right, except Harley is the one doing the
imitating this time.
They've lost marketshare to
aftermarkets with 96+ cubes and sought to get some of it back.
Every Harley goes out the door, only to be upgraded
somewhere else by it's new owner with cam,carb,pipes, heads
etc. Harley needed to get those people back in the
fold. It will also not take years for aftermarket mfgs
to get their stuff together. 9 months should do it.
Harley does have a jump start, but it won't take long
for aftermarket guys to catch up. By the time they're
ready to outfit the Softail, aftermarkets will be ready
for them. And think about it - if HD increased size
of engine 10%, how come they only got 8% increased
horsepower. You can get more than that just by putting in a
Dyna ignition and new carb/pipes/jets. Don't even need
to change engine.
And I own HDI and am long on
I think HD is doing some catching up with Titan
and the rest. Walk into the local dealer and the
price of a bike is $20,000 out the door. Put on all the
goodies to personalize and your looking at another
$5-$8000.00. Why not buy the Titan with 96 cubes, trick paint,
etc. I would like to say that HD is priciong
themselves out of the market but the showrooms are empty.
Can it continue forever or will custom builders
continue to steal market share? I want an EVO HD, but for
$20k I would first look at used and ground up rebuild
or build from scratch. Any ideas or comments from
those who have been there?
NOTE: With 1 kid,
another on the way, mortgage, etc, new bike not in the
The company could easily put a more powerful
louder product out in the market, but risk bankruptcy at
the hand of state and federal regulators.
you don't know that every H-D is street legal when
it's delivered to the dealer. What this means is that
a bike sent to California is different from one
sold in the other 49 states, which is different from
one sold in the rest of the world.
line is that the performance of a box stock Harley is
because of the fact that it is a legal configuration. The
federal fine is $10,000 per non conforming vehicle. At
the production levels that this company is at, it is
extremely prudent to put legal motor vehicles out in the
marketplace. Even stretching the limits is an invitation for
more stringent rules.
Besides being a well
managed profitable Company HDI is also, (now comes the
cliche) A Good Corporate Citizen. No jive just fact.
Bet Titan, Big Dog etc. can't make the same claim. If
the government(s) fuck with them they just go tap
city and leave their share holders and customers
hanging by the gonads or other body parts.
pipes save lives" "Really loud pipes piss of
beaurocrats". Looking out for MY right to ride.
FXRS best H-D ever made.