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  • dmesshian dmesshian Sep 2, 2011 12:22 PM Flag

    ***OOPS U.K wakes up to LAVIV Not Good, Must Read!***

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2031144/As-latest-anti-ageing-wonder-treatment-hits-U-S-autumn-investigate-new-Botox-puffed-be.html

    (As I predicted folks in the UK has woken up to the LaViv and the Brits have finally discovered the TRUTH). Please read for yourselves!

    Notable quotes:
    >>>>> "...the technology was the same — it seemed that all that had changed was the name."

    "Lynn Harrison is shocked to find that the company is essentially back in business. ‘I’ve written the money off,’ she says, ‘but I cannot believe that they can just change the name and set up again. If anyone is thinking about having it done, I’d simply say don’t waste your time or your money.’ It might have a new name, but it doesn’t take an awful lot of internet searching to connect Laviv to Isolagen. And, given its track record, surely nobody is going to buy into the hype second time around?"

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    • ****dmesshian: "We can infer from your statement that you "tacitly agree" that Laviv is not a treatment for the GRAND majority of WOMWEN OVER 30 YEARS OF AGE. "

      LOL. Too funny. Reread my post. No more discussion.

    • Hey, Mr. know it all!
      How do you explain the very credible evidence of the doctors who worked on patients in the European theatre and found this very interesting "serendipitous find", if you will, regarding this characteristics of fibroblast cells that cuts to the core of the "science of Laviv.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>
      *****One of the people who it did seem to work on was Katharine Dowling, from Manchester, who suffered 80 per cent burns in a house fire when she was in her late 20s. She was treated with Isolagen with amazing results in 2004, and her much-publicised story was one of the driving factors behind the popularity of the treatment. So why did it work so well on her, yet fail in so many other cases?
      Chris Inglefield, of London Bridge Plastic Surgery, was the surgeon who treated Katharine. ‘Most of the women who looked to Isolagen for skin rejuvenation were in their 50s,’ he says. ‘But, as you get older, you have fewer active fibroblasts. As a result, you tend to have less raw material to work with. Things like this aren’t one size fits all.’

      Other doctors I spoke to agreed. They felt that the treatment had potential and, while they doubted its ability to tackle deep lines, agreed it had shown good results in young patients. They even suggested one of the most efficacious ways of using the technology would be for women in their 20s to bank their healthy fibroblasts with a view to using them for skin rejuvenation at a later date.********

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      Given the fact that 99.9% of the wrinkle filler Aesthetic Market is made of "middle age women", how do you explain the fact that Laviv seems to be most effective with "younger women in their 20's"?

      Talk about a "serious, game-changing body blow", 'cause if this is confirmed, it would constitute the final "coup de grace". Wouldn't it?


      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2031144/As-latest-anti-ageing-wonder-treatment-hits-U-S-autumn-investigate-new-Botox-puffed-be.html#ixzz1XC6QLTN9

      • 1 Reply to spliff4joy
      • **** spliff4joy: "One of the people who it did seem to work on was Katharine Dowling, from Manchester, who suffered 80 per cent burns in a house fire when she was in her late 20s... Given the fact that 99.9% of the wrinkle filler Aesthetic Market is made of "middle age women", how do you explain the fact that Laviv seems to be most effective with "younger women in their 20's"?"

        Have you gotten stupider by the minute?

        1. Did you understand the magnitude of what was accomplished in the case of Ms. Dowling with laViv? With 80% of her skin burned off, laViv was able to regenerate it sufficiently so that she could live a normal life. Do you think this is something that any of the dermal fillers from your company Allergan could do?

        2. Why would performing spectacularly well for young patients mean not doing well for middle-aged or even older patients? More below.

        3. Why did you cite the opinion of a single doctor in the UK who did not participate in the scientific trials and extrapolated wrongly from a burn case while ignoring the data that the FDA used to approve laViv? Let me remind you what that data were about.

        The average age of patients in the clinical trials was 55 with more than 80% of patients between 40 and 65 years old and the rest over 65 years old. From that population, 59% showed a 2-point or better improvement in their look at 6 months while 78% showed a 1-point or better improvement at 6 months. After 12 months, 99% of those patients reported that their look stayed the same or improved from 6 months. Then, some of them went on being satisfied with the results several years later.

        Did that answer your question about middle aged patients? Think first about your post. Don't waste people's time.

    • JBloes:
      "Notice Spliffy doesn't have answers for many of the issues concerning Botox.
      Which company do you think he works for?
      Which company stands to lose too much due to safety concerns and malpractice issues from docs that are trending away from Botox?"
      <<<>>>>>>>>>

      FACT: Your lead researcher on Laviv, the eminent Dr. Stacey Smith, associate professor of dermatology at the University of California, San Diego has recently stated: ..."people wanting instant results should stick with Botox. 'There are lots of people who want to look temporarily younger for a school reunion or something. LaViv isn't like that."
      Seems like the "good Dr. Smith" doesn't share, nor suffer the "pervasive ignorance" concerning Botox, that's so prevalent on this message board.

      Your parting shot, JB: "What a bashing old whore you are Spliffy."
      >>>>>>

      Please bear in mind my dear Ms. Bloes, folks who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
      You should also take note, that as a potential Laviv candidate, the latest research does not bode well for ladies -- like you -- in a "particular range".
      Well, do read into the attached info what you may, my dear:

      ******>>>>> "Chris Inglefield, of London Bridge Plastic Surgery, was the surgeon who treated Katharine. ‘Most of the women who looked to Isolagen for skin rejuvenation were in their 50s,’ he says. ‘But, as you get older, you have fewer active fibroblasts. As a result, you tend to have less raw material to work with. Things like this aren’t one size fits all.’

      Other doctors I spoke to agreed. They felt that the treatment had potential and, while they doubted its ability to tackle deep lines, agreed it had shown good results in young patients. They even suggested one of the most efficacious ways of using the technology would be for women in their 20s to bank their healthy fibroblasts with a view to using them for skin rejuvenation at a later date." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2031144/As-latest-anti-ageing-wonder-treatment-hits-U-S-autumn-investigate-new-Botox-puffed-be.html

      I just love to reciprocate your expressed love!

    • That is the point dude.

      Your point: "Try many accredited investors over a million net worth each,try UCLA partnering,try the FDA et al."

      If you haven't figured it out yet, every one of your points support the "contrarian position" of the FCSC play, to: "all the king's men and all the king's horses."

      There are a miniscule few out there, who don't buy the overwhelming "smart money's" position, nor, the overwhelming conventional knowledge.

      That means "nada" to me. I have not the appetite for "group think" when it comes to placing bets.
      I use me own brain to figure things out.

    • Why do you post this garbage? "Nobody bying into...." Try many accredited investors over a million net worth each,try UCLA partnering,try the FDA et al. It would be a simple deduction that you are a wannabe and not much else.

      • 1 Reply to alan.laviana
      • allan.laviav said: "Why do you post this garbage? "Nobody bying into...."
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        Garbage... GARBAGE???!!

        YOU better take heed, and get a hold of your emotions. I didn't talk you into this "grizzly bear trap". I am only trying to unwind it for ya, pal. So, don't blame the messenger. This article should make your head explode, if you are one of the mis-informed trapped within this FCSC play, pal.

        Shame on you for not doing your preliminary DD.
        You better listen up when you read words from the original research, and I qoute:

        >>>>>> "...— and even the company behind Laviv can’t claim it delivers that for every patient. The data that it submitted to the FDA shows that six months after the final treatment, independent evaluators were asked to assess before and after photographs of patients treated either with Laviv or with a placebo.

        The evaluators judged that in around 64 per cent of people treated with Laviv, they could see a difference; but then, they also saw a difference in around 36 per cent of those treated with a placebo. What that means in practical terms is that for every ten women who hand over £4,000 for this treatment, three or four of them are not going to see any difference in their face at all.
        That’s simply not good enough, especially when you compare it with what else is on the market.

        ‘Fillers such as Juvederm and Sculptra are about a tenth of the price of Laviv, and you know you’re going to get a result in every patient,’ says consultant dermatologist Dr Nick Lowe." ******
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        In your case, you were duped by "silver tongued, message board gurus", pal...

    • Well, said pal!
      Please leave your "brain" at the door and embrace "THE CULT" of... LaViv.
      "Critical thinking" has no sway with these "cultists".

    • So what, a moot history. Yous pays your money, yous takes your chances. LaViv is cell technology critical for the future of science and medicine. Nothing will stop it. Not even a bankruptcy.

 
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