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  • greenteacup.2009 greenteacup.2009 Dec 7, 2009 7:20 AM Flag

    The "good" news for ToyoDUH just keeps coming!

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    • From the Letter from Toyota.

      http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/document/Floor_mat_Owner_Letter_sample.pdf

      Notice the paragraph that starts with:
      <<<"If unable to put the vehicle in Neutral...">>>

      Seems with the "start button" you turn it off like a PC, press and hold in the start button till it decides to turn itself off.

      <<"What should you do if you experience accelerator pedal interference?
      Should the vehicle continue to accelerate rapidly after releasing the accelerator pedal, this could be an
      indication of floor mat interference. If this occurs, Toyota recommends you take the following actions:

      First, if it is possible and safe to do so, pull back the floor mat and dislodge it from the accelerator pedal;
      then pull over and stop the vehicle.

      If the floor mat cannot be dislodged, then firmly and steadily step on the brake pedal with both feet. Do
      NOT pump the brake pedal repeatedly as this will increase the effort required to slow the vehicle.

      Shift the transmission gear selector to the Neutral (N) position and use the brakes to make a controlled stop at
      the side of the road and turn off the engine.

      If unable to put the vehicle in Neutral, turn the engine OFF, or to ACC. This will not cause loss of steering or
      braking control, but the power assist to these systems will be lost.

      -If the vehicle is equipped with an Engine Start/Stop button, firmly and steadily push the button for at
      least three seconds to turn off the engine. Do NOT tap the Engine Start/Stop button.

      -If the vehicle is equipped with a conventional key-ignition, turn the ignition key to the ACC position to
      turn off the engine. Do NOT remove the key from the ignition as this will lock the steering wheel.">>

    • <<<"I can't read the doc you linked...">>>

      Put this phrase <"Data point to Toyota's throttles, not floor mats"> in Google, first link should be to the LA Times article.
      ========================================

      <<<"...but I take it that the transmission was drive by wire.">>>

      The throttle is, I don't know about the tranny. I presented that as a possibility.

    • << Just one thought; if the car was doing well over 100, and a gear from the top, the revs ought to be high and the computer might "sense" that going to neutral from a full load would send the engine above the rev limit before the fuel cutoff could stop it, possibly resulting in valve train damage, so it would not allow it. (I don't know what, if any, rev limiter Lexus uses)>>

      I can't read the doc you linked but I take it that the transmission was drive by wire. I'm not in the investigation business. The people that are in that business are looking at this very closely because it is a foreign company's product killing Americans to save money.

      But I don't see any indication, anywhere that the car had a failure. From my reading, the mats in the car were not the correct ones for that model. That isn't a vehicle failure. Someone installed the wrong mats and the pedal got stuck.


      To compensate for the possibility, Toyota is changing out the pedals to give them more clearance. They should have done this a long time ago. People put after market mats in their vehicles. The gas pedal should have plenty of clearance and shame on Toyota for making the pedal so dangerous.

      Here is one thing I haven't heard: Any indication that the cars cannot be shifted out of neutral at 100+, gear from the top, revs high. I surely hope the question was asked "Will the car go to neutral?" If the answer was "No, we didn't want to damage the engines and never expected a car to be in runaway acceleration." Wouldn't we hear about that? Wouldn't people be calling Toyota murders if they designed that? Wouldn't they require Toyota to fix that? I have to think they would be.

      There is no way I believe the car would be designed to not shift into neutral. No way. It might have failed, but even that failure would be having a fix applied instead of all the focus on the pedals. If you find me something different, I'd really love to see it cause I would be very surprised.

      Millions of cars, millions of miles driven by millions of people. People do make mistakes and sometimes the results are way beyond 'fair' for the mistake they made. Ever forget and lock your keys in the car? To me, this is like being killed because you locked your keys in the car.

    • For your perusal:

      http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyotathrottle292009nov29,0,5254584.story

      Seems drive by wire, for their cars, started with 2002's. See left side graph.

      Just one thought; if the car was doing well over 100, and a gear from the top, the revs ought to be high and the computer might "sense" that going to neutral from a full load would send the engine above the rev limit before the fuel cutoff could stop it, possibly resulting in valve train damage, so it would not allow it. (I don't know what, if any, rev limiter Lexus uses)

      Whatever, this is too serious to simply dismiss as "oh, driver error" and not investigate further!!!

    • Yeah, that is conjecture. For what is worth, I can't think of any more reasonable explaination than human failure in a stressful situation. I also didn't hear on the tape any indication of them trying to shift. Mechanical or computer failure could have caused the shift lever not to do anything. Or there could be something I didn't think of.

      I was driving at 70 mph under acceleration and shifted to neutral. My engine disengaged from the transmission immediately. No risk of losing control or anything like that. It was just like taking your foot off the pedal.

    • The latest Toyota crash from a stuck accelerator involved a 61 year-old driver in California.

      He could figure out how to use his cell phone while driving, but couldn't think to flip the transmission lever into neutral. Almost serves him right.

      Stuck throttles are not new. There were the broken engine mounts on Chevys in the late '60's that caused the engine to shift and the throttle linkage to stick open. The recall was a really cheap band-aid fix.

      As new drivers in high school we discussed such phenomena and agreed the simple easy answer was to put the transmission in neutral or disengage the clutch. The engine may over-rev and blow, but that's better than the alternative.

      A friend of my aunt had her Pontiac run away on her and wound up in a ditch on the other side of the road. I offered the suggestion above after the fact and watched the dumb look on my aunt's face. The list goes on and on.

      Dumbing down of the American public has been going on for decades, like the decline and fall of the Detroit3. That includes the popular expression: "Well, Duh!"

    • Toyota closed at $84.30 a share Friday.LOL, Why LOL at a winner?Your just plain Jane stupid. Mr Gill2626

 
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