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  • yakush1 yakush1 Feb 2, 2000 8:46 PM Flag

    Congrats to the Radware team!!

    I'd like to add my personal thanks to the Radware
    folks, many of whom I know personally.
    It must be
    great to feel the pride of a first-ever profitable
    quarter and year!
    Sure, they make us [those who
    invested in their stock and believe in the company, as
    opposed to one-day/week speculators] happy at the
    prospect of seeing a constant surge and newly-found
    heights for the stock.
    Just remember that these
    results stem from the hard work of a dedicated group of
    people who deliver great products, fantastic marketing
    force, and fine management to top it all.
    Keep the
    good work boys!
    - Yak (in Tel-Aviv)

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    • You say:
      ---
      Now for a little lesson in
      Network Address Translation(NAT). Since NAT devices are
      the endpoint for a TCP connection and then initiate
      and new TCP connections on behalf of the requesting
      client, there are limitations on...
      ---

      You are
      not a good teacher! :-) NAT devices, like firewalls
      are not, I repeat _not_, endpoints for TCP
      connections. NAT devices rewrites TCP (and sometimes UDP)
      headers, but they do not terminate or initiate any TCP
      connections... But you are right, there are limitations. But
      these limitations are not due to the termination of TCP
      sessions! They are due to limits on session tables (=RAM)
      and CPU load.

      --xh

      Ps. But yes, I am
      long RDWR!

    • You said, "I am trying to make an intelligent
      decision about where to distribute my hard-earned dollars
      based on information I'm gathering from the ITM
      environment." I would like to suggest to you that this is the
      wrong way to find out where invest your money. Many
      people here will balk at what I am about to tell you.
      The technology matters only as far as being on par
      with the competition. RDWR from my limited
      understanding is at least on par with FFIV for instance.
      However, when you are choosing to make an investment this
      IS NOT ENOUGH. Good technology loses the war much of
      the time unless it coincides with a good business
      case. If RDWR ends up being a leader in the burgeoning
      industry it will be because of their business case -not
      the technology. As I said many people will disagree
      with this, but history has shown it to be true.

    • Actually, I don't want to take credit for that
      dumb statement... I was simply repeating statements
      and perceptions gathered over time from OTHER
      misinformed network managers out there (and believe it or
      not, there are a lot of them).

      Personally, I
      really don't care where a product is made as long as it
      stands up to the manufacturer's claims and they stand
      behind their products 110%.

      Now for a little
      lesson in Network Address Translation(NAT). Since NAT
      devices are the endpoint for a TCP connection and then
      initiate and new TCP connections on behalf of the
      requesting client, there are limitations on:

      1) The
      number of connections per second
      2) The total number
      of sessions
      3) Latency
      4) Protocol
      compatibility

      The HolonTech products that we purchased do not use
      NAT as their load distribution method thus bypassing
      the limitations imposed by NAT. It makes a
      distribution decision and then forwards the packets at Layer
      2, just like every other device in the path from
      client to host should in order to conform to the RFC
      Standard for the IP protocol.

      The only device that
      should be performing NAT is a firewall, and for good
      reason. If a firewall is in place, why introduce two
      layers of NAT in a firewalled environment by using yet
      another NAT-based device?

      So, back to my statement
      about "unlimited number of sessions". To reiterate what
      I said before; it can handle an "unlimited number
      of sessions" because guess what? There are no
      sessions!!!

      What you might have thought I said was
      that it could handle an unlimited amount of bandwidth
      which is a totally different thing, and I agree with
      you on this point... NOTHING has unlimited bandwidth
      capacity.

      I hope this clears things up a bit. I am in this to
      make money just like everyone else.

      You could
      say I'm doing some load-balancing with my money; I am
      trying to make an intelligent decision about where to
      distribute my hard-earned dollars based on information I'm
      gathering from the ITM environment.

      These message
      boards are just one place I gather information. I never
      let prejudice or hype bias my opinions... Only
      facts... And I have not misrepresented any of the
      information I've posted here regardless of what you might
      think...

    • > 2) There is still a major concern
      about
      > placing your company's product at the heart

      > of a mission-critical network and being
      an
      > Israeli based company. There is a certain
      >
      amount of unease among network managers
      > when it
      comes to this part of
      > their
      infrastructure.


      This is one of the dumbest, and
      misinformed
      statements made on this board. If you did
      any research
      whatsoever, you'll realize
      that much of the technology
      that you use
      is actually Israeli based. Anywhere
      from
      the Intel pentium that you're using to

      the network card that's plugged into your
      system.


      As far as your "ANALysis", for example:

      [HolonTech's] "HyperFlow2 switch is
      flow-based and has no
      limitation on the
      number of sessions since it operates
      at
      Layer2 ..." What BOGUS reasoning! Repeat
      after me,
      for a reality check: "NOTHING
      has unlimited
      capacity."

      I'm sure that RDWR has advantages over
      other
      manufacturers for LB systems, and
      has some disadvantages
      too. However,
      let's let reason and not prejudice
      or
      stock-ownership-induced overhype cloud
      our ANALyses. In this
      potentially huge
      field of LB systems, the fact that there

      are less than 5 manufacturers with viable
      products
      (btw, includes RDWR), everyone
      is set to make money
      (except those who
      short these companies).

    • I reviewed your product when implementing a load
      balancing solution for my company's high traffic website
      and Radware did not make the first cut...

      1)
      You need BGP to handle INCOMING traffic unless you
      use DNS to divert traffic from downed paths.
      Currently, there is no other way around this problem. So,
      either you are displacing BGP for OUTGOING traffic or,
      you are using DNS to return the address of the
      functioning site. And the article does state that you are
      using it for OUTGOING traffic.

      2) There is still
      a major concern about placing your company's
      product at the heart of a mission-critical network and
      being an Israeli based company. There is a certain
      amount of unease among network managers when it comes to
      this part of their infrastructure.

      3) Radware
      is NOT the only company doing only load balancing or
      ITM. Take for instance, HolonTech Corporation, whose
      product we have implemented quite successfully. Their
      HyperFlow2 switch is flow-based and has no limitation on the
      number of sessions since it operates at Layer 2, not at
      Layer 3 like your product.

      4) HolonTech's
      HyperFlow2 load balance's our CheckPoint firewalls. Six of
      them from one HyperFlow2 as a matter of fact. They
      have always had this capability. I believe they were
      the first on the block to do this.

      They also
      load balance our OUTGOING traffic among 3 T3's from
      different ISP's, as well as our 6 Sun E450 web servers, all
      from the same box as the one clustering our
      firewalls!!!!!. They hold a patent on router pooling. And since
      they operate at Layer 2, SSL is not even a
      factor.

      5) I can't speak for their entire company, but the
      employees we dealt with during the sales and implementation
      process we awesome, both professionally and
      technically.

      I'm not trying to pick on you personally, but as you
      stated yourself, you thought the board could use "one
      more opinion".

      I own a bit of stock in all of
      the ITM companies because I think it's a white hot
      market and room for incredible growth
      opportunities.

      Good luck to all!!!

    • <EOM>

    • Keep them coming!

    • First off, let me explain who I am. I am a
      Regional Sales Manager for Radware so this message will be
      biased ( obviously ) but I think I can provide some
      objective reasons why Radware is a good buy.

      1. Our
      new Linkproof product. It allows the use of multiple
      ISP connections without having to use BGP as a
      routing protocol. Anyone who knows anthing about BGP
      knows that the customers hate it, the ISPs hate it and
      it rarely if ever does what it is intended to do.
      There is a brief article at



      http://www.itmcenter.com/radwarebalances.htm

      which talks about it briefly.

      2. Money in the
      bank. As we all know this is an Israeli company that
      has great products and feels that their performance
      alone will dictate the stock's desirability. We all
      know that is not true. If people are not given a
      reason to buy the stock, they won't. Then again, some of
      the best values in the market are those that fit this
      category. You decide.



      3. Where the market
      is headed. Radware is the ONLY company in this field
      that does nothing but load balancing or ITM. Therefore
      our products are more focused thatn say an Alteon,
      who also makes switches, etc. If true load balancing
      is the goal nobody ever beats Radware. Ther market
      is headed towards specialization and the recent
      Yahoo, Ebay attacks are good proof. As the only company
      to track multiple TCP sessions from a single IP
      address as a single session ( regardless of how many
      there are ) we can better defend against DOS attacks
      like this. All the traffic in the world from 1000
      servers is 1000 sessions in our box, regardless of the
      TCP sessions involved. We even have a feature called
      delayed binding that will make our box respond to SYN's,
      not the server, and keep them in the client table
      until they time out or send a synack. This keeps the
      server free and puts the load on the radware box which
      is infinitely more able to do this.

      4. Load
      balancing firewalls. Again, as specialists we heard that
      customers needed a way to eliminate the firewall as a
      single point of failure. Our Fireproof box allows active
      use of two firewalls simultaneously while maintaining
      state between the two in order to support SSL. Nobody
      even has a product that comes close, as far as I have
      seen.

      5. The company overall. I have worked for many
      companies in my 15 year sales career but none has ever
      approached Radware in the way they treat their employees and
      the commitment they have to doing what is right. Few
      people leave as it is almost impossible to find a better
      job. In fact, if any seasoned IT professionals are out
      there looking for work please feel free to email me at
      agnw@yahoo.com We are hiring and looking for good people all
      over the country.

      Again let me
      reiterate:

      I AM A RADWARE EMPLOYEE!!! I make no bones about
      the fact that I am trying to tell you why I like this
      company. God knows, whoever out there is reading this
      (SEC) I am NOT trying to hype the stock with bullsh*t.
      All of the above is true, to the best of my
      knowledge. Everyone, take this with a grain of salt, I am
      not a financial genius and pretend to know nothing
      that you can't find yourselves on the web. All I will
      say is that I owned the stock before I went to work
      for them and still own a large portion of what I
      initially bought.
      I believe in the company and thought
      the board could use one more opinion.

    • I read your RDWR vs. FFIV analysis on
      clearstation.com
      Deep, intelligent, extremely well written and makes a
      lot of sense.
      A breath of fresh air compared to
      the some of the zombies that wage their stupid
      ego-fights on this forum.
      I myself strongly believe in
      Radwere's future. Not because I hold a modest amount (1000)
      of their shares and just hope for the best, but
      because I personally know the leaders of the company and
      have lots of faith in their vision, ability and
      dedication.
      Again, thank you for such well presented arguments.

    • "RADWARE strives to find the path of least
      resistance. The company provides hardware and software that
      help customers such as BMC Software, Gateway, and Sony
      efficiently manage Internet traffic on their networks. Its
      Web Server Director hardware optimizes network
      traffic by distributing it among groups of servers to
      avoid congestion at any one point. RADWARE's FireProof
      product directs Internet traffic through a company's
      hardware and software firewall security systems. The
      company distributes worldwide primarily through resellers
      such as National Business Group."
      This is from the
      company report section of moneycentral.com. One large key
      that is not mentioned here is a partnership with
      LUCENT which is huge
      (http://www.clearstation.com/cgi-bin/bbs?Cmd=post&post_id=793603&Refer=http://www
      .clearstation.com/
      ). Another big (and overlooked)partnership is with
      ABC who is really strong in the UK(fastest growing
      internet market right now) Read link:
      http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/991220/radware_ab_1.html
      At the bottom you will see ABC has very good
      relationships:"On-going support and maintenance is effectively provided
      with both in-house technical support and through close
      working relationships with strategic partners including
      RADWARE, Hewlett Packard, Network Appliance and Sun
      Microsystems. ABC Solutions has support capabilities for UNIX,
      Windows NT and Linux." This also ties in with another
      partnership they have with Network
      Associates:
      http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000110/nj_radware_1.html
      But ABC isn't their only tie to the strong UK market,
      http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/991115/radware_pe_1.html
      Of course, like everyone here, I have my own
      opinions on the RDWR vs. FFIV issue. Here they
      are:
      http://www.clearstation.com/cgi-bin/bbs?Cmd=post&post_id=849048&Refer=http://www
      .clearstation.com/


      Good Luck!

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