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  • vastly_educated vastly_educated Oct 8, 2011 9:09 PM Flag

    Level of Education on This Board

    I've held my tounge for a while now but I can no longer do so, my good people.

    You people are the worst of the worst, the bottom feeders of society, if you will. Not a one of you demonstrates the ability to communicate a thought of significance, of importance, if I may be so bold.

    Now, My Dear Fellows, I don't expect you to reach the level of quality that I have been born to; however, it is possible for you to improve with good old fashioned hard work and judicious amounts of study! Although you yourselves will never reach a level of class equal to my own perhaps your children, or their children can some day elevate above yourselves, perhaps eventually acheiving a position such as personal assistant to a member of My Class.

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    • My cheerful Gents,

      A lot of silliness back and forth here debating the spelling errors of a gentleman made on a mobile device while driving the motorway. 

      An educated man doesn't drag a conversation into the realm of useless chatter concerning such trivial errors made in a casual forum. I'm afraid you've quite unintentionally reinforced my original thesis.

      That said my hat is off and my head bowed to "heinz45" for his keen grasp of the matter.

      As for the rest your reasoning skills are lacking and poor reasoning skills  are demonstrative of poor education.

    • "“Their making grammatical mistakes in a language other than their own native one would not be a reflection of their education.”
      =====

      This is it, this is the key point.

      Now that you have realized that, would you agree with me in pointing out that when you were saying these:


      “Languages do evolve, but over long periods of time. In the meantime there is a generally accepted and proper syntax. For sure spelling.

      Anyone who does otherwise cannot be vastly educated by definition. ”
      =====

      you should have added

      “For those who have grown up in a non-English environment, however, their English skills do not reflect either their education background or their intelligence level.” "





      No. In "Anyone who does otherwise cannot be vastly educated by definition.", I could have said "Anyone who's first language is English who does otherwise and claims to be vastly educated cannot be vastly educated by definition" for those who are not vastly educated. But it would be annoyingly redundant for those who are. It would seem being annoyingly redundant is not annoyingly redundant to you.




      "You see, a lot of American soldiers and Diplomatic staff raise their children overseas. Those kids growing up overseas do not always get exposure to a good English education environment."

      Are you saying the US government sends soldiers and diplomats overseas, but it is unheard of to send American teachers overseas to teach their children? Or that the US government and the parents would allow them to be taught English (or any other subject) by uneducated overseas teachers? Do you think it is impossible for foreign English teachers to teach proper English? Do you think US teachers who teach foreign language here don't know the proper spelling, syntax and pronunciation of the foreign languages they teach?

      Seems like your standards for "vastly educated" are vastly lax.

    • you remind me of someone who graduated H.S. 18 years ago and is still in college since he cannot make up his mind what he wants to do and just jumping from one course to another, cannot hold a job, still lives with his parents, single, freeloading, deep in student loan debt but vastly educated and overqualified to flip hamburger at McDonald or work as a janitor. Misfit.

    • “Dude, except for the general logical argument, this discussion is not worth all of the effort.”
      =====


      Right after saying “this discussion is not worth all of the effort”, you had continued your message with 246 words (which is equal to 1095 characters not counting the spaces). Very interesting. --- Wait, don’t get upset, please. We all are just human beings; nobody can always think logically.


      “You continue to miss the point. The Nobel prize winner never claimed he was an expert in Swedish. The Ukrainian doctor in a 7/11, whoever he is, never claimed to be an expert in English.”
      =====

      I think everybody on this board would agree with me that other than the guy who had started this thread, nobody has every claimed to be an expert in English. And there were quite some ones that had pointed out the Grammatical/Spelling Errors made by the thread opener, who is the self-claimed English expert --- pardon me for re-emphasizing that. One of the beauties of the internet message board is that you can always retrace the old messages to verify something like that.


      “Their making grammatical mistakes in a language other than their own native one would not be a reflection of their education.”
      =====

      This is it, this is the key point.

      Now that you have realized that, would you agree with me in pointing out that when you were saying these:


      “Languages do evolve, but over long periods of time. In the meantime there is a generally accepted and proper syntax. For sure spelling.

      Anyone who does otherwise cannot be vastly educated by definition. ”
      =====

      you should have added

      “For those who have grown up in a non-English environment, however, their English skills do not reflect either their education background or their intelligence level.”

      You see, a lot of American soldiers and Diplomatic staff raise their children overseas. Those kids growing up overseas do not always get exposure to a good English education environment. It does not help even though English is indeed their “native language”.

    • Dude, except for the general logical argument, this discussion is not worth all of the effort.

      You continue to miss the point. The Nobel prize winner never claimed he was an expert in Swedish. The Ukrainian doctor in a 7/11, whoever he is, never claimed to be an expert in English. Their making grammatical mistakes in a language other than their own native one would not be a reflection of their education.

      A person claiming in his native English to be "vastly educated" in a error filled English post is a completely different situation. It probably is a reflection of his education. It could also be that he was rushed and/or doesn't care about the mistakes (after all no one is paid to post), but even then a "vastly educated" person doesn't get a pass to ridicule others for inferior educations when his own post is filled with errors regardless of the reason.

      NEXT!

    • How about this, an american Physicist who had finished his PhD degree at Stanford University when he was 18 years old. After doing 20+ years research in Bell Lab he made the breakthru discovery of the century in Physics fields and was granted the Nobel Laurel in Phyiscs.

      When he flew to Stockholm to to receive the Nobel Prize from the hands of the King, he found that his Swedish language was far from ok to chatter with the folks in a country inn. Never mind the grammar, spelling or pronounciation, he did not even know enough vocabularies to make the simplist conversation.

      Could the host of the country inn categorize this winner of Nobel Laurel in Phyiscs as illiteracy based on the language skill standard? I don’t think so.

      An american Nobel Prize winner trying to chat with the local folks in a Sweden country inn? This won’t happen very often.

      In the USA which is known as a racial melting pot, however, nobody will be surprized to learn that an Ukraine immigrant, who had been working as a surgery doctor back in his country is now hired as a clerk in a 7/11 store.

      Here comes the question: If you can not judge the education level of an american winner of Nobel Prize by his Swedish language skill in a Stockholm country inn, then why you think you can do that to an Ukraine surgery doctor by his English skill in a 7/11 store?

    • "What makes you believe by observing how well a person can memorize and harness some rules.... you can tell his education level?"

      Oh I don't know, perhaps the entire foundation of the educational system (language, math, biology, chemistry, physics, cosmology,...) which is based on teaching and then measuring how well a person has memorized and harnessed some rules.

      Not using the rules certainly doesn't indicate you know them. Not knowing the rules, you certainly wouldn't be able to use them. Therefore, there is a high probability that a person who does not use them is not educated. And especially not vastly.

    • In the Germany language, every entity is of sepecific gender. A noun is either male, female or neutral. To the noun of different genders, the definite article (like the “the” in English) and the indefinite article (like the “a” and “an” in English) come with the noun must change form accordingly.

      It’s always a myth to me that in German which person/organization is authorized to asssign the gender orietation to the newly created/invented item. Say, the Canon DSLR digital camera was not available 15 years ago, and now it is everywhere. Is that beyong-my-budget Canon 5D Mark III a male? Or a female? And who had decided that? How about the iPhone3 that Steave Jobs left to this world? Is that male?

      Achtung:

      The gender of a noun is a very vital element in Germany language grammar. If you can’t tell the gender of the LED display via which you are reading this email message, you are not “vastly educated by definition.”

      Oh, by the way, this message you'r reading is also of "gender".

    • “Why don't the brits pronounce school "shool" to be consistent?”
      =====

      Good point. Language is neither strictly consistent nor strictly logical. Not everybody can see that. Those single-language say-ers are the least likely to ever realize this fact.


      “Anyone who does otherwise cannot be vastly educated by definition.”
      =====

      What makes you believe by observing how well a person can memorize and harness some rules that you have already recognized as is neither consistent nor logical you can tell his education level?

      If education means to gain the skill to think logically and, maybe even strategically, then the Britain Prime minister, Winston Churchill, should never utter the stupid questions to mock General Ike who led the American soldiers supported by American money to save the Britain.

      If education means to stay in ‘shool’ long enough to build up a very stubborn way in ‘thinking’, then Mr. Winston Churchill had proved to the world that he was extremely well-educated.

    • I can't escape introspection.



      Like a UFO staying just out of the camera's focus.

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