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  • LongDong_Silver11 LongDong_Silver11 Oct 12, 1999 8:08 PM Flag

    Burn-out central

    It doesn't do CCE any good to increase volume if
    they aren't making any money. All it does is burn out
    employees. It seems that Pepsi has resigned itself to the
    fact that they will always be number 2 and is now more
    concerned about its Frito Lay. At the plant that I work at,
    CCE raised its selling prices relative to last year
    and Pepsi followed. Lower case volume but more
    profits. Let me know what you think.

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    • I haven't heard any real news today to account
      for the large drop. But here's some fresh
      thoughts.

      Euro Community wants more competition across borders.
      They are on the backs of lots of companies and their
      distribution partners. Saw on the wires that Coke's German
      bottler is going public....

      So, maybe there will
      soon be some Euro competition for CCE. It will serve
      KO's purpose by letting the distribution fight it out
      on price to the consumer and give KO the access to
      higher margins. But it could be disasterous for CCE,
      since it is loaded with debt and the German bottler
      will be flush with capital.

      Zounuf, you in for
      more? Good luck...

    • The analysis in today's Merrill Lynch on Line
      Reasearch answer the price issue.
      It is too long. I don't know if you can access to Merrill.

    • zounuf, CCE is getting squeezed from all
      directions.

      Financially, there is the debt and increasing interest
      rates.

      CCE's main, and really only important supplier, holds
      you captive and is now raising syrup prices faster
      than inflation. And CCE also has fuel and labor costs
      rising.

      CCE's customers do not want to pay up for soda. "Same
      store sales" are down 2% in the U.S.

      CCE made a
      disasterous decision many years ago to expand, to leverage
      the balance sheet, but profits were elusive and the
      debt kept growing larger.

      How do you manage
      this beast? Find a new supplier? A new market?
      Can't...

      Tell me how this is figured in to this stock price?
      What if the employees and independent shareholders get
      smart and sell? At this price they have still profits,
      but you are only starting out...

    • Looks real bad folks. I obtained the following
      report from AIQ today. This has got to be one of the
      worst managed companies in the
      business.

      Analysis of the rate of change of the exponentially
      smoothed average price suggests the start of a downtrend
      for this equity. The rate of change is negative and
      continuing to decrease which indicates increasing downward
      force. This is a bearish indication for a continuation
      of this move.

      The equity price has crossed
      and closed below the intermediate term 7%
      exponentially smoothed average price. This indicates a
      continuation of the current price movement and is considered a
      weak bearish signal which is sometimes followed by a
      downward movement in prices.

      The equity price has
      crossed and closed below the long term 4% exponentially
      smoothed average price. This indicates a continuation of
      the current price movement and is considered a
      bearish signal which is sometimes followed by a downward
      movement in the price of the equity.

      The equity
      price has crossed and closed below the short term 18%
      exponentially smoothed average price. This indicates a
      continuation of the current price movement but it is subject
      to whipsaws. This is a weak bearish signal that
      could be followed by a downward movement in the equity
      price.

      The 21 day stochastic has crossed the 80%
      line and is decreasing accompanied by decreasing
      volume accumulation. This is a strong bearish indication
      that a price reversal to the downside is now taking
      place. This type signal is often followed by further
      downward price movements.

    • you should also consider:

      This is the
      stock down big this year. Why?
      Because the Debt and
      interest rate. When I look at the Profile of CCE. I am
      surprised by the big debt.

      BUT: The game of the
      investment is going foward. In another word, The debt fact
      is considered in the current stock
      price.

      Another big fact you have to consider is the big tax loss
      sell. I am not saying it is bottom now. But definetly
      close.

    • Today, the main supplier to CCE, Coca-Cola,
      announced syrup price hikes.

      Does this matter to
      CCE shareholders? To Coca-Cola, 40% owners, it
      doesn't. They get 100% of syrup prices but only 40% of
      CCE's bottom line profit.

      What's management
      planning to start showing bottom line profits? Syrup
      prices and interest rates on $10+B of debt are the main
      costs. Both are going up faster than inflation.

    • shares.
      May go down 1 more point.

      bottom is 22.

    • >>>Subj: Is this board dead???
      By: zounuf
      Date: 11/3/1999 5:40 pm EST

      <EOM> <<<

      Thanks for your participation...

    • The world just heard the name Coca-Cola again.
      THE EXECUTIVE OF KO AND CCE WILL NOT INCREASE
      PRICES IN MACHINES AS TEMPERATURES RISE>

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