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Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc. Message Board

  • miketabony miketabony Jun 16, 2013 7:25 AM Flag

    A question

    Have any of you posters ever been to Cyclone's headquarters or talked to the folks involved (especially customers) with their engine experiments? Have any of you actually seen an one of their products? Been present when a test was being done?

    It seems to this possible investor that neither side produces much useful info on the blog. I'd like some real info on the merits (or demerits) of the actual engine as I feel the concept has a definite place in our energy future.

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    • The most developed product is the WHE for Phoenix's P-10 waste oil fired generator. Last year a prototype was stress tested by Phoenix, where it performed very well. Phoenix and Cyclone did have a number of issues integrating Phoenix's combustion chamber and related components (boiler feed water pump in particular) with the engine. In particular, getting the proper head and flow through the system.

      The hope was that Phoenix would have a product out to Beta customers by now. However, Cyclone has since partnered with OSU to improve the engine further (ie. better block design so it produces less noise) IMO, Cyclone burned themselves a few years ago rushing an engine out to Beta too early (Bent Glass) resulting in a failure. They don't want a repeat when the Phoenix P-10 goes out to Beta. The Beta customers are already lined up (per Phoenix). One thing Phoenix and Cyclone don't have is a lack of interest in the product.

      If you don't mind using Facebook, check out Cyclone's page. They post updates on Facebook often. Also, feel free to contact some of their partners. I have found the people I talk to very willing to talk about the product development.

      The engine development has come a long way over the past few years. Over time, Cyclone has worked though a number of design issues. The most involved being on the material engineering front such as finding the right material to make the piston rings out of (Cyclone was experimenting with polymers at one point) that would work with de-ionized water as a lubricant. Another was finding the right material for the piston head that could withstand super-heated steam.

      • 2 Replies to eviljerseycityslumlord
      • thank you for your explanation.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Thank you for the in-depth response to my request. I'm not a FB fan but did sign up with Cyclone for anything they email out. I have also found them to be interesting and open in conversation. Thank you for the info on the Bent Glass experiment.
        It seems like Cyclone is trying to make a very simple engine that is very versatile and that means it will take a lot of time and effort. I like using the superheated water as a lubricant idea.
        You've been following these folks a lot more closely than I have. What is your gut feeling about the six month OSU schedule? Will it be maintained or become 2 or 3 years? Will Phoenix support a longer OSU experimental stage or not?
        Thanks again for the info.

    • The concept of a closed loop piston steam engine is not new, the modern steam engines use the turbine design, because of the technical difficulties with the piston design. Cyclone has not been able to solve the problems that have stumped engineers for decades and I wouldn't get my hopes up that the University of Ohio will solve the problems in the next 6 months as Cyclone has predicted.

      • 2 Replies to hotsteam242
      • The concept of a closed loop piston steam engine is not new, the modern steam engines use the turbine design, because of the technical difficulties with the piston design. Cyclone has not been able to solve the problems that have stumped engineers for decades and I wouldn't get my hopes up that the University of Ohio will solve the problems in the next 6 months as Cyclone has predicted.

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • I have seen a lawnmower that did not have a running engine. I have seen a weed wacker that did not have a running engine. i have seen two boats that did not have a running engines. I have seen two cars that did not have engines. I do not know of any product ever running with Cyclone engine. There have been no independent tests of a Cyclone product. Cyclone continues to come up with new uses for their engine without ever completing a single product. You cannot believe the press releases or their predictions about completion dates.

      • 4 Replies to paulness007
      • I have seen a lawnmower that did not have a running engine. I have seen a weed wacker that did not have a running engine. i have seen two boats that did not have a running engines. I have seen two cars that did not have engines. I do not know of any product ever running with Cyclone engine. There have been no independent tests of a Cyclone product. Cyclone continues to come up with new uses for their engine without ever completing a single product. You cannot believe the press releases or their predictions about completion dates

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

      • Paul,
        Thank you. I recognize they haven't met any production goals as yet but the engine did win several major awards and therefore must have quite a bit of merit. In your opinion, is this one of those companies that concentrates so hard on tinkering with the product that they never get around to building in a commercial manner or is this product only good on paper and destroys itself after only a short time in actual operation.

        Finally, I find it hard to believe that OSU would get involved w/o doing some kind of test on the product. Your thoughts on this.

        Thanks again.

      • I also saw the trade show mock-ups of potential products.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • I was there twice while in Florida on vacation this year.. I met most of the people there but no customers..
      I have witnessed a test running of an engine using a Phoenix boiler.. I inspected the , so far engine-less , LSR and talked with Nelson.
      Some of my impressions:
      !. The engine ran well but not yet at maximum speed {1600 RPM]
      2: There are many well manufactured parts around.
      3: the LSR car is beautiful and well built.
      4: their equipment seemed old but reliable.
      5: they need proper equipment and software for testing. IMO
      6: their progress has been slow due to financial constraints.
      7: their list of potential customers continues to grow.
      8:With what I have seen and what I hope will happen in Ohio, I am still enthused and believe I see the light at the end of the tunnel.

      Doc J

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • 1 Reply to doctorj2222
      • Doctor J,

        Thanks for the reply.

        I recognize your name as one who supports this company a lot on the blog. That's OK with me and I'm not here trying to pump or bash (want none of that). Thanks for actually going to their facility and reporting back on that. I am planning a trip to Florida this summer strictly to see this thing and get a feel for the place and people before investing further.

        I have a lot of questions to ask you but do not wish to be a pain or clog up this MB with questions unless you agree to that. IMHO, that might be a good change of pace to what usually is printed here but what do you think.

        Again, thanks.

 
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