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  • ltisteve@verizon.net ltisteve Jul 12, 2011 2:51 PM Flag

    AMD's Hondo, a squeeze on ARMH?

    Bad news for the ARMH fanboys. One more x86 CPU is going to jump into the mix. AMD's Hondo is an x86 2 watt CPU that can play back 720P video. This is going right after the tablet market.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2084119/amd-planning-2w-brazos-refresh-windows-tablets

    But, this is bad for Intel, right? Well, yes and no. It's going to compete with Oak Trail. So, yes, that's bad. The good news is that this is yet ONE MORE X86 processor in the tablet market. My point is simple, with tablets there is room for more batteries, and thus better processors. People will want to run legacy windows applications in non-emulation mode.

    If you were a large software manufacture you may right now feel the need to rewrite your softwre to run on the ARM processors. If I were a software manufacure and I aaw that both Intel and AMD will have x86 tablet processors in the market I would want to wait before putting down the money to pay in house programmers to rewrite code for ARM.

    ARM can come down with the dead on best processor in the world for tablets. But the lack of support for legacy apps may cost them considerable market share.

    Don't worry about AMD. Intel knows what to do with them. Right now the common enemy is ARMH.

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    • new stats have Aapl with a 10.7% share of the Global mobile pc market (including tablets even though a tablet is NOT a computer and should be counted as a Mobile Device along with cell phones)but regardless. ONLY 10.7% of the global market??? wow, didnt you think it would be a lot higher?

    • Your answer assumes that Atom SOC's will suffer from the same design problems as Arm SOC's.

      Anyhow, I think we will have to wait until there are competing devices with same OS for reliable benchmarks.
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      Memory bandwidth is expensive (power consumption) which is why it's limited in mobile chipsets. Atom will have the same problem when it goes down. As ARM scales up (with a larger power budget) it uses faster memory (although in most cases, still limited to 32bit).

      Yes, we'll have to wait for like-for-like devices, with a bit of luck in the next few months (Android honeycomb) or perhaps with the Windows 8 Slates.

    • gregory.lynn@rocketmail.com gregory.lynn Jul 13, 2011 4:35 PM Flag

      Your answer assumes that Atom SOC's will suffer from the same design problems as Arm SOC's.

      Anyhow, I think we will have to wait until there are competing devices with same OS for reliable benchmarks.

    • Its not really a fair benchmark.

    • This shows how much better x86 is on a compatible system:
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      Just shows you the problem with benchmarks I read it differently, and come to different conclusions:)

      As a side, that is one of the best open benchmark articles around (without having to pay).

    • Er, no...:) Atom has to reduce it's bandwidth when going down, while ARM increases it when going up.

    • Yes, not only do I know this, for months I've been saying that this is ARMH primary problem. They are just selling R&D to other companies. I can care less about what potentially may happen with ARMH. Sure they can put out some really great products in the next year or two. The real story is investment in R&D. It's what is causing big problems for AMD right now. It's going to come down to the level of commitment from Intel which I believe is there. Intel can simply outspend ARMH in R&D. It won't make a difference this year or next year, but a few years from now ARMH is going to feel it.

      ARMH has a 98% market share through various companies. I don't call that competition. It's a monopoly. I know many companies make ARM processors with their own unique flavor. It doesn't matter what flavor of ice cream you like, it's still ice cream.

      If you are an ARM fanboy you will love the fact that Intel and AMD will enter the market with x86 processors. It's going to force all sides to up their game. Consumers will win in the end.

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      I have misunderstood what you are saying, or you have misunderstood me.

      You have the x86 ISA, where Intel, AMD and Via produce processors that run that ISA.

      You have the ARM ISA, where ARM, Qualcomm, Marvell all produce processors that run that ISA.

      I am an ARMH long, but not a fanboy - at least I dont think so:) It's not just x86 that is entering the game, but MIPS as well. Yes, the consumer will win in the end.

    • gregory.lynn@rocketmail.com gregory.lynn Jul 13, 2011 1:47 PM Flag

      In other words, Arm would lose their ONLY competitive advantage, power consumption, in order to have comparible performance?

      Too bad for ARMH stock holders.

    • gregory.lynn@rocketmail.com gregory.lynn Jul 13, 2011 1:43 PM Flag

      This shows how much better x86 is on a compatible system:

      http://vanshardware.com/2010/08/mirror-the-coming-war-arm-versus-x86/

    • I never saw a reliable smartphone/tablet benchmark.

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