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  • semiwiz2002 semiwiz2002 Oct 14, 2011 4:25 PM Flag

    Intel inside iPhone

    I have it on very good authority that Intel is building at least some and maybe most of the A5 chips in the iPhone. Samsung is being wound down.

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    • ltisteve@verizon.net ltisteve Oct 18, 2011 12:40 PM Flag

      The problem that Apple is going to face is that for the iPhone5 they will need to hitch their wagon to some company. I know Blue's undertone feelings toward Intel because its spread throughout the industry. Many people feel Intel is part of the old regime. The smartphone industry developed outside the realm of Intel and therefore they don't feel so welcoming of Intel into this market. There is a sense of "We can do it without Intel."

      I know many will be quick to point out that AMD and GF's problems have nothing to do with Apple. I think that this is just the writing on the wall for what's to come next year. TSMC struggled to get 40nm yields right for a couple of years. When they move into 28nm I believe that they will have to follow Intel into Lithography. I don't know if they are using it at 40nm, but Intel had to make the jump into lithography at 32nm. They have been using it for over a year now.

      I believe that ARM fabs will struggle with the thinner cores and making appropriate yields. I think next year there will be a huge distinction in the ARM industry between FABS that can produce, and those who can't. Intel has a strength of being a FAB that can produce.

      As for performance, we're starting to hit the law of diminishing returns with smart phones. The jump from 600mhz to 1ghz was far more significant than the jump from 1 to 1.4 even with multicore processors.

      Intel doesn't have to have the bleeding edge technology. Consumers will probably respond favorably knowing that they have an Intel processor in their phone. It's a brand name they recognize more than Tegra or Hummingbird.

      As for Apple, a less than stellar Intel processor in their phone will go along well with their line. They are still selling the Macbook Pro with a 5 year old Core 2 Duo Intel processor. So, why not an inferior Atom processor in their iPhone5?

    • I agree Intel had been hyping their Moorestown platform since they have not much of a market to show for it. Hope this is not the case with Medfield.

      Also agree that they need to move Atom to their leading edge process asap....the only logical reason to do so is to signal to the smartphone/tablet market that they intend to achieve a leadership position in the shortest time possible...which will do wonders for the stock and the company (and employee morale).

    • Performance: Seems like a huge guess on your part since there are no CPUs out there
      to benchmark.
      -----

      True. We know from Cedar Trail and Medfield that (CPU) performance has stayed the same from previous Atom generations. Given the performance gap between current Atoms and current ARM SoC's and a conservative redesign for Atom @ 22 (Intel can't be as aggressive with performance as they also need to reduce power) you come to that conclusion.

      -----
      Medfield power draws are already in the lower part of the range of
      ARM-based SOCs......they plan to have the same node-level process for Atoms as for
      their advanced Core CPUs by 2014
      ------

      Intel has had all sorts of claims for Atom in the past, and frankly they have been way of the mark.

      For Intel to seriously compete they need to move Atom to leading edge ASAP.

    • Totally agree, Boston. And as the one guy said the other night, Intel WINS when Apple sells all those phones as they require more servers and Intel chips are in the servers. Plus, with Google Intel will have all the phone business it will need.

      Who cares if Intel is inside Apple phones or not !! That's not where the money is.

    • No Way. Intel is not going to waste valuable 22nm TriGate technology on Apple garbage, low-margin processors. Most will go to high margin Intel server chips, ultrabooks, & Intel's own SoC chips for Droid based smartphones & tablets.

    • Maybe duel-fab the A6. TSM & INTC. Why would TSMC send a zillion engineers here to meet with Apple if there wasn't something real big in the works. Tri-gate A6? And lightspeed io. lol.

    • I don't think they'd be able to keep news this big a secret and why would they want to.

    • iPhone 5 will be out late in 2012.
      I'm thinking that Intel has no interest in having a separate chip built by infenion to go into iPhone 5. Intel is working to integrate the radio capabilities of infenion chip to go into processor that will be built on trigate technology. Apple would love to have that combo package in their future iPhones. That's probably why they came up with an iPhone that is called 4S rather than 5. Huge change is coming for iPhone 5. And that huge change is Intel processor.

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      • I'm thinking that Intel has no interest in having a separate chip built by infenion to go into iPhone 5. Intel is working to integrate the radio capabilities of infenion chip to go into processor that will be built on trigate technology. Apple would love to have that combo package in their future iPhones. That's probably why they came up with an iPhone that is called 4S rather than 5. Huge change is coming for iPhone 5. And that huge change is Intel processor.
        ------

        Er, no. Apple has still a couple of generations of the 'A' application processor chips to go before they need to consider anything as radical as jumping to x86. Apple will want the 'freedom' of baseband so it is unlikely that they will want lock in to Intel or any other provider. You are right, at some point the baseband processor will need to be integrated with the application processor but that time isn't now (as world standards are changing so fast, you need the ability to change the baseband for different locations/markets).

        There is scope for the A5/A6 to be fabbed at Intel, but given the time scales this is unlikely for the iPhone 5/iPad 3.

    • ltisteve@verizon.net ltisteve Oct 14, 2011 5:22 PM Flag

      It would be great if it's true.

 
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