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  • backbay_bstn backbay_bstn Oct 28, 2011 1:29 PM Flag

    Whats with all this ARM server talk???

    Its like the media suddenly decided ARM is about to cripple Intel in servers. Misinformed article after article appearing this week. Intel needs to put a stop to all this negative PR.

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    • Your remarks are adolescent and childish. They are just a further demonstration that you have no legitimate issues to discuss.

      Like ARM's growing fabrication crisis.

    • "Is there anything more girleyboy than a guy who uses the word "Yikes"???"

      After seeing ltisteve@verizon.net picture...

      It was the nicest thing one could say...

    • I don't know, fanboi. Is there anything more girleyboy than a guy who uses the word "Yikes"???

      But thank you once again for the opportunity to focus on ARM's growing fabrication crisis...

    • LIES !!!!

      ltisteve's picture is a textbook example
      of why some people remain single...

      YIKES !!!!

    • i think it's a very nice photo, steve, you are a very handsome man.

    • Yeah, and if ARM ever gets the hardware going, then they just need ten years to port the software over and they will be up and running.

      So, maybe 2023 or 2024...
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      Software is already running. Would just be the LAMP stack.

    • <Indeed it is. No doubt about it. The only question is can Intel improve the performance per watt ratio to stop ARM dead before it gets traction.

      As a side ARM has a deal with IBM (and thus Samsung's fab) for 14nm.>

      Obviously Intel's future success in the mobile business is not a slam dunk and they have certainly had major screw ups before....seems they always come out of it somehow.
      As an option player this uncetainty plays to my advantage by making the calls incredibly cheap.

      I read the white paper you posted. the IBM group can come up with some interesting technology, but with IBM as the prime mover some of this technology might not be competitive in a high volume environment. A few times reference was made to the concept that low yield is ok for IBM because they will never need more than a relative handful of parts.

      So, some of that technology might not be useful for world that TSMC and Samsung play in.

      Intel probably doesn't make a big move until it is certain that they can make Trigate at good yields and that the performance per watt of TriGate is significantly better than what is available from foundries for ARM designs.

    • Yeah, and if ARM ever gets the hardware going, then they just need ten years to port the software over and they will be up and running.

      -----------

      "ten years"

      That's how long Intel shares have been dead money, pumper boy.

      TOOOOOOOOOOO

      FUNNNNNNNNY!

    • Yeah, and if ARM ever gets the hardware going, then they just need ten years to port the software over and they will be up and running.

      So, maybe 2023 or 2024...

    • The ARM model doesn't really fit the PC/Server model. There is way too much middleman taking a piece of the cut. It may have worked for Apple with smartphones, but it won't work going against intel on their turf.

      Intel just make one design and would satisfy all their clients keeping most of the money, whereas the companies using ARM chips are only making chips that runs on their devices and are probably soldered into the pc board.

      There is a considerable amount of waste because making a PC/Server chips is exponentially more difficult than the phone ipad chips. The yield would be a great concern because they are much more difficult to make. Just ask AMD.
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      If ARM based cores get any traction in the server market (and it's a big if) then they will be System on Chip based (the whole server on a single chip except the main memory). ARM CPU cores by design are very small, have a look at the Apple A4/A5 SoC below to see how 'little' of the space is taken up by the CPU.

      http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/technology-blog/2011/03/apple-a5-vs-a4-floorplan-comparison/

      In a ARM server based SoC the bulk of the chip area will be taken up by cashes and other IP blocks (networking, interconnects, memory controllers, IO controllers etc).

      It's a different ball game.

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