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  • getanid61 getanid61 Nov 13, 2011 11:17 PM Flag

    Why smart phones are important

    "ARM can come up with new architectures, but how will they solve the manufacturing problem. How till they make a better transistor than Intel? Today, I don't see how that's possible. "

    Because architecture is important !!!!!
    Larabbee utter complete failure !!!!!
    Why, because it's architecure failed !!!!
    Meego... yippee

    "ARM can come up with new architectures, but how will they solve the manufacturing problem. "

    You keep mentioning manufacturing problem...
    Did you just make it up ??
    Another Wallisweaver alias ??

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    • 'Larabbee utter complete failure !!!!!
      Why, because it's architecure failed !!!!'

      That isn't true, it will be a complete success as a MIC chip that will probably run both Nvidia Quadros and Teslas out of town.

      'Meego... yippee'

      Nokia N9 had rave reviews, Meego was killed by MSFT (via Nokia) who have this thing about Linux based o/s.

    • Don't know Wallisweaver, no need to get defensive or personal.

      My point is, Intel beat AMD architecture advantage in 2005 with it's Core architecture. AMD was never able to beat Intel in manufacturing. They're in a slow death spiral because of that today.

      ARM today has better architecture for smartphones. But if Intel can match or beat that, then Intel will be cranking out that silicon with it's higher margin manufacturing. How can anybody beat that? Even if later ARM comes out with better architecture, it will have to trade off power or performance because of it's lagging manufacturing and process technology. That's a huge disadvantage.

      At the end of the day, it's transistors that do the computations. It's tremendously important efficient is your transistor and what the yield is in manufacturing and what the margin. This is Intel's strategic advantage that nobody has been able to touch for many years.

      Architecture and design, they can change fast. In just a few years and a few billion dollars. Intel has many. Manufacturing takes many many years, and many billions of dollars.

      Intel may win by attrition.

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      • Sure, no one will out x86 INtel...

        But the rest of the world isn't building x86s, they're building ARM CPUs...

        "Intel's strategic advantage that nobody has been able to touch for many years."

        It's called Microsoft Windows...
        NOw porting to ARM...

      • My point is, Intel beat AMD architecture advantage in 2005 with it's Core architecture. AMD was never able to beat Intel in manufacturing. They're in a slow death spiral because of that today.

        ARM today has better architecture for smartphones. But if Intel can match or beat that, then Intel will be cranking out that silicon with it's higher margin manufacturing. How can anybody beat that? Even if later ARM comes out with better architecture, it will have to trade off power or performance because of it's lagging manufacturing and process technology. That's a huge disadvantage.
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        A mistake many make on this board is to compare AMD to ARM. Intel wont be able to beat the ARM threat by using the same methodology as it did/does with AMD. Intel HAS to change (ie, listen to customers and be more nimble) or it will lose market share.

        The ARM vendors wont compete on a CPU v CPU basis or on a performance basis but on CPU v SoC, performance per watt and on total cost of ownership.

    • ltisteve@verizon.net ltisteve Nov 13, 2011 11:33 PM Flag

      No, Laarabbee comes back around, this time as a 50 core Atom CPU designed to go after the same server market ARM is going after. But since you are going over Intel failures why not discuss the grand daddy of them all, the great Pentium recall!

      It's not how many times you fail, it's how many times you can fail and keep going after the market that ultimately leads to success.

      Hey, did you see that post today about Tegra 3? What, 5 cores on a 40nm processor isn't a good idea? Yes, I know it's better than anything Intel has right now. But, what if, just maybe, they are right about Tegra 3? What if it's a failure? What then? Can Nvidia afford a bulldozer type product failure?

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      • 'No, Laarabbee comes back around, this time as a 50 core Atom CPU designed to go after the same server market ARM is going after.'

        No, the cores are based on Pentium I and it is going after the gpgpu HPC market. However you are right in the long term as they do intend to replace the Pentium core with an Atom one for greater integer performance and greater server applicability.

 
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