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Intel Corporation Message Board

  • amdroaddkill2010 amdroaddkill2010 Nov 18, 2011 11:52 AM Flag

    Intel will not beg Apple. It will not have to.

    I understand why it is that so so many Americans are so so ignorant about Intel sales.

    They see America as if it is the leader of the world and thus they make their predictions about sales based on a small sampling in America.

    Now my point.
    Intel will explode onto the market with massive tablet and phone chip sales in dozens of companies in Asia. Yes Asia.
    People in Asia do love the Apple phone NOW but they will more than likely switch to a native company once given the chance to do so with Intel powered phones and tablets in their native Asian companies.

    Go ahead Apple, try and outsell Toshiba in japan when Toshiba has the same or better product with Intel inside.

    Same is true in China and the rest of Asia.

    Fact is, all Intel has to do is make a better chip and it will destroy ARM in the tablet and Phone markets.

    two years from now or less the attack by Intel will have become so so successful in the above that ARMH will be Crying like a Little baby to the EU for help in courts.

    Intel will simply flip ARMH the Intel third finger and tell ARMH to get ready for the side of the road where all Intel attackers end up.

    Intel is going to run over little ARM and leave it dead on the side of the road.

    Thump Thump
    ARM IS ROADKILL!

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    • "Apple will be left behind if they abandon Intel"

      iPod
      iPad
      iTouch
      iPhone

      All that to my comment that Intel won't fab the A6...

      Do you believe that to be incorrect ??

    • The iPhone 4s is scarce. I went to an apple store and the only Verizon version available was the 64GB model.
      With SIRI, and cloud syncronization the iPhone will go on to dominate the smart phone market.
      All the iToys will use about 250 million A5 over the next year and probably 400 mil per year of some A chip starting in 2013.
      The more successful Apple is, the more they need Intel. I think Intel will build the A5 for Apple on 32nm but not 22nm....at least not on 22nm until the core is and Atom
      Samsung is using a 45nm process. Intel's 32nm process would give a chip half the size, probably much lower and higher performance than the Samsung version.

      I still think the Citi guy has the story. And we will get some word soon.
      http://www.cnbc.com/id/43327072?__source=yahoo|headline|quote|text|&par=yahoo

      • 1 Reply to semiwiz2002
      • The more successful Apple is, the more they need Intel. I think Intel will build the A5 for Apple on 32nm but not 22nm....at least not on 22nm until the core is and Atom
        Samsung is using a 45nm process. Intel's 32nm process would give a chip half the size, probably much lower and higher performance than the Samsung version.
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        Assuming that Intel can match the foundries on low power process then there is some legs to the idea that Intel becomes the 'fab' for Apple.

        However, it would have to be 22nm not 32nm as the A6 could be fabbed at 28nm at Samsung and TSMC.

        Finally, until Intel can prove that it can improve Atom Apple would be foolish to commit to it.

    • "two years from now or less the attack by Intel will have become so so successful in the above that ARMH will be Crying like a Little baby to the EU for help in courts."

      I agree with the above as long as Intel is successful and that is a if.

    • Right or wrong, I view Apple a lot like I view Intel. They are both companies that understand branding and are interested in maximizing profits.

      Apple had no problem sticking with the Moto68000 rather than moving to Intel. When Apple had to make a change, they adopted the PowerPC rather than Intel. They went to Intel because the PowerPC did not have a low power CPU in its future. They moved to Intel because of the power and pricing that Intel offered.

      Apple will likely not give an indication of where the ARM (lower end tablet/phone) vs Intel (high end) product boundary will exist. It might not exist at all, because they may go one CPU or the other. Apple will make the decision based on their goals.

      I would bet that even Apple does not know today, which way they will go. That decision will be delayed as long as they can and not impact their product lines. Apple will then use one group to extract better terms from the other.

      IMO, anyone who says they know what the answer is, is not being candid.

      • 2 Replies to alexander.dumbass
      • There is no way Apple will give up Intel chips for their "high-end" PC offerings. MAC users will revolt if they dont get the highest performance user experience. Some of the "1st generation" ultrabooks must be scaring Cook, as they are very close to the Mac Air in terms of performance/experience.

      • ltisteve@verizon.net ltisteve Nov 18, 2011 12:27 PM Flag

        You had me up until the point where people where Apple switches CPU's at the whim. Apple has made a lot of money with their in house designed SoC featuring ARM. But the problem is that they can't differentiate it enough to justify the extra expense.

        I know the ARM fans may take offense to my position. I am not saying that ARM processors are so bad that they are commodities. I am saying that they are improving so quickly that you can't get a true two year sales cycle on them You can' home brew them to the point where the are still relevant two years later. I think a better model is more stock designs that come out every six months, and keep up with the pack. ARM processors are going into inexpensive price sensitive products. If they want to keep being a player in this market they have to having pricing in the ballpark of the other products.

        I'm sorry, the product sales cycle works better with Intel than it does with ARM for Apple. We are starting to see that they want Intel for tablets. I don't think it has to do with the quality of ARM's processors. It more has to do with the fact that a better Intel processor won't come out in three months after introduction.

 
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