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  • wallisweaver wallisweaver Nov 30, 2011 1:39 AM Flag

    ARM-Based Windows 8 Notebooks in Mid-2013?

    [OMG, this article says ARM Windows 8 machines won't arrive until the middle of 2013 and aren't expected to have any impact until 2014 and 2015. This, of course, means they won't have any impact at all. In 2014, they would be competing with fully mature 14nm fabrication products from Intel and in 2015 they would be competing with 10nm Intel products. The ARM power consumption advantage will be a disadvantage by then and Intel might have as much as a 5x performance advantage over ARM by 2015. Who would buy a poor performance laptop with no power consumption advantage and with no ability to run legacy apps and have no connectivity to previous devices because there won't be any device drivers? Um no one?]

    [ARM still has no plan to move to 14nm fabrication. This effectively has them sitting still while Intel rolls out continuous improvements in performance and power consumption. The effects of ARM's fabrication crisis are becoming more obvious...]

    "Unnamed sources within notebook vendors are reporting that the Windows on ARM platform (Windows 8 + ARM-based SoC) is expected to make its official debut towards the end of 2012. Actual products may not enter the notebook sector until June 2013, and will likely be powered by Nvidia and Qualcomm ARM-based processors used in notebooks from Asus, Lenovo and other vendors.

    Are there high hopes for a new frontier? That definitely seems to be the case according to sources. ARM-based processor "players" are hoping that the Windows on ARM platform will not only raise their share in the tablet market, but grant them successful entry into a notebook sector currently ruled by x86 solutions from AMD and Intel. There are hopes that the new platform will really take off in 2014 and then become the second biggest platform by 2015.

    But as previously reported, the Windows on ARM platform has one major obstacle to overcome: software. Consumers won't be able to whip out their disks and re-install their favorite applications on their new ARM-based Windows 8 notebook. Instead, Metro-styled applications will be developed specifically for the ARM architecture (as opposed to x86) and sold directly from the Windows Store. That said, will consumers want to purchase their favorite applications all over again after dumping loads of money into the x86 versions?

    "We haven’t made any product announcements," said Windows chief Steven Sinofsky earlier this year. "The previous demonstrations were always technology demonstrations of the underlying architecture. All of the apps for ARM are going to come through the store which means they’re all going to be metro style."

    Despite the software disadvantage, vendor sources said that the Windows on ARM platform will provide strong competitiveness based on its low power consumption and expected low price point. But Intel won't go down without a fight, as it plans to launch its 22-nm Ivy Bridge processors that will consume less power than previous CPUs, have stronger security and a quicker response. The company's Haswell-based processors will reportedly bring even more competition to the Windows 8 generation of low power devices in 2013."

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ARM-Windows-8-Nvidia-Qualcomm-Steven-Sinofsky,14113.html

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    • 'The ARM power consumption advantage will be a disadvantage by then and Intel might have as much as a 5x performance advantage over ARM by 2015. Who would buy a poor performance laptop with no power consumption advantage and with no ability to run legacy apps and have no connectivity to previous devices because there won't be any device drivers? Um no one?'

      There won't be an Intel processor which has both 5x performance advantage AND power consumption advantage. You are just making up your own BS as you go along which is your style.

      • 1 Reply to marsavian
      • "There won't be an Intel processor which has both 5x performance advantage AND power consumption advantage. You are just making up your own BS as you go along which is your style."

        ***

        Intel thinks 2 or 3x by the time ARM gets Windows 8 hardware out and Intel will move to 10nm around that time.

        So, the 2 to 3x should move up. Okay maybe it will only be 3 or 4x. Does it matter?

        Did you actually listen to the conference presentation today? If you had you might have learned a few things. Like I don't make this stuff up as I go along.

        Let's just conclude that the performance advantage will be substantial. We can haggle over whether it's 2 or 5 in a couple of years...

    • ltisteve@verizon.net ltisteve Nov 30, 2011 2:17 AM Flag

      Here's what you can expect from Microsoft Windows 8. There will be a big launch party somewhere and the evening news will talk about three selling points of the platform.

      Then Nothing.

      The platform is work in progress, and may not catch on at all in their strong corporate market. ARM has a problem in that developers want to have actual ARM based devices to test out their apps instead of emulation on a PC. If there is a huge rush into the market from the harware side, and little interest and not enough apps the manufactures are going to get discouraged.

      A smarter way to run things is to come out with a handful of developer WARM devices and keep it off the retail shelves until they have 50K apps available in the marketplace. If there is a metro ecosystem ready to go then WARM will do well.

      WARM is targeted to consumers more so than corporations. I am still very skeptical of the plan. Not because of ARM, but because of Microsoft. ARM manufactures are going to be very motivated to be the first to market with new, cheap but somewhat powerful ARM devices. And without an ecosystem to support it, the enthusiasm will die off.

      I'm tell you guys Microsoft tried to bring the PC to the with the start menu. Now they are trying to take the phone OS to the PC. And people are excited about this?

      Google, are you listening? Can you please develop the Chrome OS like you suggested years ago?

      • 1 Reply to ltisteve
      • "WARM is targeted to consumers more so than corporations."

        ***

        Whereas Intel is going the opposite direction in that the ability to run Windows on tablets and smart phones should make the corporate IT departments much more comfortable with their use.

        Regardless, Intel is going to have the run of Windows 8 for all of 2012. This along with the decline of AMD should be a boost to Intel...

 
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