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  • theblueredmonk theblueredmonk Dec 21, 2011 7:17 PM Flag

    Fanboi Credibility

    "The phone was powerful and pleasing to use, on a par with the latest iPhone and Android handsets."

    So much for fanboi credibility.
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    :) Dear me.

    No one doubts the performance profile of Medfield as it is a die shrink of Intel's previous attempt (Moorestown). What we "fanboi's" were pointing out is that Intel was comparing it's latest-and-greatest tech to (in some cases) 4 year old 65nm parts. Even the latest "iPhone and Android handsets" are based on 45/40 nm parts and thus isn't a valid comparison.

    What will make or break Medfield is battery usage and we still don't know what that will be like.

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    • "No one doubts the performance profile of Medfield as it is a die shrink of Intel's previous attempt (Moorestown). What we "fanboi's" were pointing out is that Intel was comparing it's latest-and-greatest tech to (in some cases) 4 year old 65nm parts. Even the latest "iPhone and Android handsets" are based on 45/40 nm parts and thus isn't a valid comparison."

      [Yet more of the distortions that cost you your credibility. Comparing Medfield to the top five selling phones is a totally valid comparison. If the top selling phones are all old ARM crap, then that's their fault for not making something better. If you have a new product you compare it to the latest best-selling ones. It's not a tough concept. A child would understand it.]

      "What will make or break Medfield is battery usage and we still don't know what that will be like."

      [More distortions. Otellini indicated that the power usage was within the power envelope of the top five selling phones. You fanbois modify or disregard the truth so often that I feel the need to check for my wallet every time you post...]

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      • [Yet more of the distortions that cost you your credibility. Comparing Medfield to the top five selling phones is a totally valid comparison. If the top selling phones are all old ARM crap, then that's their fault for not making something better. If you have a new product you compare it to the latest best-selling ones. It's not a tough concept. A child would understand it.]
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        The smart phone market's top sellers are (typically) cheap phones based on cheap(er) and
        old(er) components such as the screen and chip-sets (including the application processor).

        No distortion, but fact.

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        [More distortions. Otellini indicated that the power usage was within the power envelope of the top five selling phones. You fanbois modify or disregard the truth so often that I feel the need to check for my wallet every time you post...]
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        Intel is comparing it's 2012 SoC to (in some cases) 65nm parts and it *still* can't beat them all on power!

        As I said, the power issue is what will make or break Medfield. Medfield needs to be competitive with 2011/2012 SoC's not SoC's from 2008 with cores released in 2002...

      • [More distortions. Otellini indicated that the power usage was within the power envelope of the top five selling phones. You fanbois modify or disregard the truth so often that I feel the need to check for my wallet every time you post...]

        Yeah well he indicated the same thing for Moorestown and no major vendor really believed it to actually put in their phones and the only phone that actually used it was downclocked to 600 MHz when using Windows 7 which showed that it was too power heavy at higher clocks which is what its datasheet indicates.

        How Medfield's datasheet electrical power compares against Moorestown will be the key to its usability. I actually think Intel will manage to get Medfield under 2W at its top clockspeed as its 32nm LP process is supposedly better tuned than 45nm LP (according to David Kanter at www.RealWorldTech.com). Whether that will be enough to really shine in performance/power tests against the 2012 ARM competition is still highly doubtful.

 
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