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  • ideal_invst ideal_invst Jun 11, 2012 8:18 PM Flag

    ARM still struggling with Win 8 devices

    Windows 8 appeared to have made some strides, with the latest release preview running on many of the newly announced OEM and ODM platforms, though one area of concern for Microsoft has to be the progress of Windows RT (known during development as Windows on ARM).

    Analysts have reported that the only OEM with any Windows RT platform on display was again Asus, with the Asus 600 (Tegra 3-based) convertible platform, secured under glass so booth visitors could not interact with the device.

    Some press did report having a hands-on with the device and, by all accounts, Nvidia seems to be the only silicon provider believably ready for launch later this year.

    Contrast that to the countless Intel Ultrabooks, convertibles and tablets running Windows 8 openly and appearing in good shape, that’s not good news for the ARM partnership.

    Intel also announced in a keynote that it had 20+ tablet designs in the pipeline, based on its Atom chips and even lowly AMD seemed to make some progress on that front, with a handful of Windows 8 devices based on its new Trinity and updated Brazos platforms.

    TI was rumored to have a Toshiba device behind closed doors but nothing was seen out in the open, while Qualcomm had only a reference platform on hand for media to play with behind closed doors.

    All in all, not a lot to write home about, but for ARM, a fair bit to worry about, as it seems Win RT will limp out of the gate and not be much of a factor until early next year with a largely Wintel launch for Windows 8.

    http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/other/4375092/ARM-still-struggling-with-Win-8-devices-

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    • "Microsoft has to do what makes sense for it as an OS and software provider. "

      That's why they got behind ARM...

      ***

      WOA will go into the archives next to Microsoft Bob...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

    • "Methinks it is a fallback strategy which will be put in ice over the next few months."

      OK, tell me that date...
      Then tell me how you like your crow...

      "But when a battleship gets going on the right course at full speed, you better get out of the way. "

      Why ?? I'm an INTC long...

    • > "Microsoft has to do what makes sense for it as an OS and software provider. "
      > That's why they got behind ARM...

      Methinks it is a fallback strategy which will be put in ice over the next few months.

      > You see INtel thru Rose colored glasses...
      > INtel can do wrong... and every decision is the right one...
      > ARM is growing, but you're declaring it RIP...

      Nope, I don't. Intel screwed up with 64-bit transition, Opteron, Larrabee, and an extremely late entry into mobile.

      But when a battleship gets going on the right course at full speed, you better get out of the way.

    • typo:

      INtel can do NO wrong... and every decision is the right one...

    • "Getanid61: I thought you would be able to "get it" within the context of the paragraph."

      I understand it better than you think...

      "No offense meant, but you have to read the whole thing... "

      You see INtel thru Rose colored glasses...
      INtel can do wrong... and every decision is the right one...
      ARM is growing, but you're declaring it RIP...

      "Microsoft has to do what makes sense for it as an OS and software provider. "

      That's why they got behind ARM...

    • > "Microsoft cannot base its strategy on what Intel does. "
      > Make up your mind...
      > You've just had a few posts claiming the opposite !!


      Getanid61: I thought you would be able to "get it" within the context of the paragraph.

      Yes, Microsoft had to consider whether/when Intel could deliver low-power chips and had to get a fallback with its ARM strategy.

      However, in my latest post:

      It's not a case of tit-for-tat. Microsoft cannot base its strategy on what Intel does (*** with other OS and software vendors ***). Microsoft has to do what makes sense for it as an OS and software provider.

      No offense meant, but you have to read the whole thing...

    • You are like a younger, less mature version of Nenni. If that's possible. And another ARM plant...

    • "All in all, not a lot to write home about, but for ARM, a fair bit to worry about, as it seems Win RT will limp out of the gate and not be much of a factor until early next year with a largely Wintel launch for Windows 8."

      ***

      WOA -> DOA

      Microsoft doesn't like ARM. It will put as many sticks in the spokes as it takes to make sure that Win RT arrives late and lifeless...

      • 1 Reply to wallisweaver
      • I don't think it is a case of "Microsoft not liking ARM".

        My read is that Microsoft had to announce an ARM strategy 2 years back when Intel did not have low-power chips and Microsoft could not fully depend on Intel's timeline to do so.

        Now that Intel has delivered Medfield and will be delivering dual-core and multi-core low-power SoCs, Microsoft can pull back to an x86-focused strategy. I think it will do so slowly over time so that the press will not have a field time calling it a failed strategy.

        It doesn't make sense for Microsoft to support, maintain, and upgrade a Windows RT code base with hundreds of developers while not providing backward compatibility - which, IMO, is its only Unique Selling Proposition (USP) against Android and iOS.

    • The other article you posted talked about the other companies not having that low-level driver expertise...
      except NVidia which so far has the only WinRT device...

      fyi, Win8 should use multi-thread and take advantage of multi-cores...
      I'm sure the tech press will be all over this when it launches...

      • 1 Reply to getanid61
      • [ARM has experience with multi-threading going all the way back to late 2010. Hey, wait a second - that's only 20 months!!!]

        ARM is planning to implement multithreading on its future architectures and the chipmaker believes the move will help boost the performance of its high-end chips aimed at demanding markets.

        Mind you, ARM is the epitome of plucky British design, getting more out of less, much like Lotus sports cars or Mosquito fighter-bombers of WWII fame, so the decision to embrace multithreading really isn’t all that surprising. However, it will take a while before we see multithreaded ARMs in our smartphones.

        It appears that ARM will focus on multithreading in its future server chip designs, but we have no doubt that the concept will spread to consumer chips sooner or later. Don’t get too optimistic just yet, ARM hasn’t included multithreading on its latest Cortex A15 design and it could be quite a while before we see multithreaded ARM chips in consumer devices.

        http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/20352-arm-to-embrace-multithreading

 
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