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  • chumpanid61 chumpanid61 Oct 30, 2012 6:43 PM Flag

    Even ARMH's new partner, AMD admits ARM servers might be worthless

    LOL! sounds like this AMD employee doesn't like the recent partnership for ARM Servers. And what manager of a data center wants to change vendors for a few years? Maybe a small plumbing company? A gas station? lol....

    AMD: ARM's power advantages could wane in the coming years

    ARM's power advantages over typical x86 chips from Intel and AMD will continue for around half a decade before fading away, according to AMD.

    Yesterday, AMD announced it would start making ARM-based servers in 2014, and today Suresh Gopalakrishnan, general manager of AMD's server business unit, told ZDNet that ARM's power advantages could be short-lived.

    "If you increase the capabilities of the [ARM] processor, it will consume more power. At the same time, if you start working on the [x86] architecture and process together you can bring the power down as well," Gopalakrishnan told me. "Right now ARM has the [power] advantage - five years down the road we'll see."

    In the future, Intel will bring in new energy-thrifty chips built on its advanced 14nm and 10nm fabrication methods, which will help it lower their power consumption, while ARM's chips will consume more power as more features are added to them to let them tackle more advanced server workloads.

    So, in a few years, the power advantages which are propelling ARM's chips into cloud datacentres like Facebook's could fade as technological forces conspire to close the gap in electricity usage.

    Why is AMD licensing ARM for servers now then? Because it can bring the 64-bit chips out years before the power window closes, Gopalakrishnan said.

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    • Great post.

    • What AMD is doing is called a "desperation play". I'm surprised that Wall Street is so gullible that they're eating it up like they are.

      Even if AMD is making a good strategic move, don't forget that Intel could easily pull exactly the same rabbit out of their hat. If ARM really is the wave of the future for servers and laptops, Intel could shift to producing the most advanced ARM chips (which would obviously carry a premium price) without much effort at all.

      • 1 Reply to drensber
      • It won't be necessary for Intel to make ARM server CPUs. There is not enough power efficiency benefit to the proposed future 64 bit ARM server to justify the risk of software incompatibility, especially when Intel already has an arsenal of energy efficient CPUs and has many energy saving innovations in the roadmap, including a clear path to 10nm lithography.

        Really, would AMD be partnering with ARM if it weren't on the edge of insolvency? No. This is exactly what it looks like, a desperate move by a failing company.

    • So what AMD is suggesting is that server customers can stay on an x86 architecture, avoid the expense and headache of using a foreign CPU and achieve the power savings goal anyway with x86. There's not enough upside to data center managers to justify the risk and cost of using ARM.

      • 1 Reply to sanddollars586
      • So what AMD is suggesting is that server customers can stay on an x86 architecture, avoid the expense and headache of using a foreign CPU and achieve the power savings goal anyway with x86. There's not enough upside to data center managers to justify the risk and cost of using ARM.
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        Bingo. Why fool with the hassel? Why try to be a hero if you are a datacenter manager? This comes straight from AMD's mouth! It doesn't matter what ARM says in a press release.....you can bet your bottom dollar that Datacenter managers are in contact with Intel to see what they can do in the future to save money..48 cores, baby.

 
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