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  • theblueredmonk theblueredmonk Dec 4, 2012 5:43 AM Flag

    Results are in for Motorola Razr i comparison.

    Go to intc website and listen to CFO Stacey Smith.
    The Motorola Razr i leads in performance against the Razr M.
    These were the words from Intel CFO.
    He said that leading in performance for Intel based phone was not surprising to consumers which was built exactly the same except for processor. But Intel beating Qualcomm based Razr M was a surprise. And it will only get better for Intel in terms of performance and battery life gaps against ARM based products.
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    Stacey Smith isn't lying when he says these things, but he is bending the facts somewhat. I can also show you benchmarks that show Razr i is better than the Razr M (Javascript benchmarks) but the reality is that these benchmarks are so dependent on the browser that you can't compare them to other devices in the way Intel has done.

    At the end of the day, the whole point of independent benchmark suites such as Geekbench is to get past the spin of the tech companies involved. If the Geekbench numbers are right, then Qualcomm's M has almost 50% more CPU performance than Intel's CPU (on that benchmark).

    Intel will get better, but the reality is that they are falling short on both CPU/GPU performance for their current generation.

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    • gregory.lynn@rocketmail.com gregory.lynn Dec 4, 2012 6:08 AM Flag

      I saw your benchmarks from your other post, all of the numbers were for the newly released Android 4.04 that is "compatible" with Intel processors, however this isn't the same version that Intel tested with which was "optimized" for Intel, and tested side by side with the same version also optimized for the Arm processor in the RAZR M. Here you go touting benchmark scores yet this is not a level playing field as with the previous tests, but don't let that stop you.

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      • Yes. The RAZR I was released with gingerbread not ice cream sandwich. Android 4.04 has binaries from gingerbread which enable compatibility, but other core components were not rewritten yet to be optimized.
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        According to:

        gsmarenaDOTcom/motorola_razr_i_xt890-4998DOTphp

        The razor I comes with ice cream sandwich, not gingerbread. Although I can't what (major) difference the OS will make on these benchmarks, unless you are suggesting that the RAZR I is running the benchmark under an ARM emulation mode?

        How do you explain the Geekbench numbers for Clovertrail on windows 8? Do these need "Optimizing" as well?

      • I saw your benchmarks from your other post, all of the numbers were for the newly released Android 4.04 that is "compatible" with Intel processors, however this isn't the same version that Intel tested with which was "optimized" for Intel, and tested side by side with the same version also optimized for the Arm processor in the RAZR M. Here you go touting benchmark scores yet this is not a level playing field as with the previous tests, but don't let that stop you.
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        To be honest I do not understand your point? Are you saying that the Geekbench numbers are using a different version of Android than Intel's own testing? What about the Geekbench numbers for Clovertrail on windows 8?

      • gregory.lynn@rocketmail.com gregory.lynn Dec 4, 2012 8:03 AM Flag

        "To be honest I do not understand your point? Are you saying that the Geekbench numbers are using a different version of Android than Intel's own testing? What about the Geekbench numbers for Clovertrail on windows 8?"

        Yes. The RAZR I was released with gingerbread not ice cream sandwich. Android 4.04 has binaries from gingerbread which enable compatibility, but other core components were not rewritten yet to be optimized.

        I think you should also consider that Medfield is about to be replaced/upgraded. CES should be very interesting.

    • The only way Intel can get ahead is if they accelerate faster than ARM and its partners over time and they can do that if they advance their process technology faster than the foundrys since they seem to be unable to catch up on microarchitecture. It's a big if.

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      • blueredmonk: You have been very focused on benchmarks and, to a degree, they are important. However, almost of the reviews on Razr i have been very positive.

        When it comes to PCs, there is a general feeling that there is too much performance which is not necessary for most users....the argument goes that Intel is overkill and ARM can replace Intel in PCs.

        When it comes to cellphones, the argument is Intel doesn't have enough performance/GPU vis-a-vis ARM. And Intel needs to do a lot more to even make some dent in the market....(of course, Intel will have this higher performance also soon).

        My thought is: What if there is sufficient performance in Razr i....and the customer is happy with its performance and user experience....and more reasonable pricing...the slightly higher benchmarks you are quoting for Snapdragon would be irrelevant.

        So my point is: "People don't buy by benchmarks alone!" Good user experience combined with decent pricing may get a lot of customers for Razr i. We will see from the sales #s soon.

        Note that ZTE and Motorola continue to expand their Intel-based offerings worldwide. So there is some compelling anecdotal evidence to suggest that the Intel Medfield platform has legs!

 
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