During Thursday's CC, the first question was by the Deutsche Bank analyst who asked when, after all the cap-ex over the past several years, can we expect returns to shareholders on those investments to be coming? Otellini talked about "line of sight", completely dodged the question, and the analyst did not follow up. I have the same question. Management has talked a good game for at least the past ten years, but the fact remains that you could have bought Intel shares at anytime over the past ten years for the price it is selling at today. I am a long-term holder and enjoy the dividend, but also wonder when these company investments will begin to pay off in terms of share price. Even on this message board, the longs with anything substantive to say talk about all of the great things Intel is doing, and how they are (or will be) killing the competition, but also seem to have taken on the "wait till next year" attitude. Has Intel become nothing more than a trading vehicle? Is its future one of just hanging in there with a good dividend and share buy-back program to keep the stock price afloat?