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  • wallisweaver wallisweaver Mar 3, 2013 10:01 PM Flag

    Until Samsung Has FinFET, Samsung Doesn't Have Butkus

    If TSMC is to be believed (some doubt there), Samsung isn't even geared up on 28nm, much less 20nm, much less 14nm FinFET. So, while I think Samsung is a very fine company, they are just like the rest of the ARM world - subject to fading fabrication due to the absence of a FinFET solution.

    They simply can't threaten Intel without it.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    • The Samsung process for 14nm isn't really true 14nm because it has a 20nm backend. Also, Samsung isn't even done ramping 28nm let alone 20nm. Lastly, it is one thing to announce that you have produced a chip it is another to bring it into production. Intel is already building its 14nm fabs. These fabs will build the chips on 450 mm wafers which will lower manufacturing costs for the chips.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

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      • The Samsung process for 14nm isn't really true 14nm because it has a 20nm backend. Also, Samsung isn't even done ramping 28nm let alone 20nm. Lastly, it is one thing to announce that you have produced a chip it is another to bring it into production. Intel is already building its 14nm fabs. These fabs will build the chips on 450 mm wafers which will lower manufacturing costs for the chips
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        All true, but I was responding to wallisweaver "absence of a FinFET solution", clearly Samsung have a solution, it's just a case of when it appears and how good (or bad) IBM's FinFET's are . As a side, Intel's geometry measurements are different from the foundries. Intel's 22nm process, isn't really 22nm (as the foundries measure gate size) so when we talk about 14nm gate/20nm backend we need to keep things into context (ie, die size etc).

    • Samsung Delivers Strong 14nm FinFET Logic Process and Design Infrastructure for Advanced Mobile SoC Customers
      Seoul, Korea on Dec. 19. 2012

      Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., a global leader in advanced semiconductor solutions, today announced that it reached another milestone in the development of 14-nanometer (nm) FinFET process technology with the successful tape-out of multiple development vehicles in collaboration with its key design and IP partners. In addition, Samsung has signed an agreement with ARM® for 14nm physical IP and libraries. This agreement is the latest in a series from Samsung and ARM that has delivered production proven SoC enablement. Samsung, together with its ecosystem partners, is in a position to offer leading edge customers a robust design infrastructure to drive an ever expanding advanced mobile SoC market.

      "As we move closer to true mobile computing, chip designers are eager to take advantage of the gains in performance and significantly lower power of 14nm FinFET to deliver PC like user experience on a mobile device," said Dr. Kyu-Myung Choi, senior vice president of System LSI infrastructure design center, Device Solutions Division, Samsung Electronics. "The design complexities at 14nm require complete harmony between the process technology, design methodology, tools and IPs. We are synchronizing all the key elements so our customers can deliver their newest chips to market quickly and efficiently."

      As part of its 14nm FinFET development process, Samsung, and its ecosystem partners – ARM, Cadence, Mentor and Synopsys – taped out multiple test chips ranging from a full ARM® Cortex™-A7 processor implementation to a SRAM-based chip capable of operation near threshold voltage levels as well as an array of analog IP.

      The full ARM Cortex-A7 processor test chip tape-out represents a significant milestone for silicon manufacturing for the fabless ecosystem. The Cortex-A7 implementation on FinFET demonstrates the low-power component of th

    • Very simple yet makes the most sense.
      Doesn't matter how much money Samsung makes, they just don't have the expertise that Intel currently has.
      Samsung may be making billions right behind Apple with their gadgets and toys, but investors will in time realize that Intel's 3 to 5 year lead in fabrication is priceless.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

 
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