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  • bacbacker bacbacker Apr 6, 2013 9:47 AM Flag

    arm64 will not be available until 2016...3 years from now! LOL!

    All the hype about arm penetrating the microserver market is pure B S. a57 is meant for 16nm finFET, which tsmc has already stated won't be available until 2016 at the earliest. Without 64-bit machines, arm is going nowhere. In 3 years, Intel's Atom-based microservers will be industry standard and by 2016, Intel will be using 10nm technology...forget about it!

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    • It will be available later this year as it's a 40nm part. Why the lies, bacbacker?

    • we won't see X-Gene until 2016 at earliest :)

    • All the hype about arm penetrating the microserver market is pure B S. a57 is meant for 16nm finFET, which tsmc has already stated won't be available until 2016 at the earliest. Without 64-bit machines, arm is going nowhere. In 3 years, Intel's Atom-based microservers will be industry standard and by 2016, Intel will be using 10nm technology...forget about it!
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      ARM based servers are shipping *today*. The only question is how much (if any) effect these ARM based servers have on Intel's bottom line going forward.

      As for the tape out of the A57 on TSMC's 16nm process, the news is really about the tool chain/low level IP getting ready for 16nm. We'll see the A57 on 20nm first.

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      • "As for the tape out of the A57 on TSMC's 16nm process, the news is really about the tool chain/low level IP getting ready for 16nm. We'll see the A57 on 20nm first."

        [The idea that A57 will show up on either 20nm or 16nm in time to help ARM stave off Intel is laughable. ARM's fabrication Achilles heel is going to lose them the mobility war. You've been saying for years that fabrication is meaningless. Now that the results are starting to speak for themselves you point to ARM's fabrication that is years out and too little, too late. ARM's lag in fabrication is growing daily and they lack the R&D, time and money to change the outcome. The game is over. We're just watching the end of the ARM era play out...]

    • A57 is like a A15 on steroids so it will have more power consumption, expect similar clockspeeds at the same power to an A15 but at a lower process size to achieve it, so an A57 at 20nm would clock the same as an A15 at 28-32nm at the same power. It needs FinFETs just so it can fit in say a phone at over 1 GHz. ARM have developed their architecture way beyond the realms of their fabrication to contain the power increase which means they are now vulnerable to higher clocked Atoms from below and low power Cores from above, classic Pincer attack. It was hubris, they believed their own hype, they thought they could go after x86 performance while still keeping their traditional low power. They failed which now makes them vulnerable on their home turf. Only their low power low die size cores like A7 and A53 have a real future, x86 will crush the A15/A57 cores.

 
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