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  • wallisweaver wallisweaver Jun 18, 2013 12:33 AM Flag

    Intel's 14 Nanometer: Setting The Record Straight

    For as long as I can remember, I have been following roadmap leaks in the PC space from Intel (INTC) and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), and generally speaking, these have been pretty straightforward to interpret. However, in this new world of hyper-segmentation and intense focus on mobile, things have gotten a little tricky to understand, particularly on the Intel side of things. In this article, I'd like to "set the record straight" so that investors do not get the wrong idea from the numerous sites on the web spreading what appears to be faulty analysis of good leaks.

    14nm Is Not Delayed To 2015

    Intel bears have pointed to the following leaked roadmap slide in an attempt to prove that Intel is running into problems with its 14nm process and that processors based on that process will not be available until 2015:

    However, this is actually not the case. See, following the 22nm "tock" known as Haswell, Intel indeed has a processor core known as Broadwell. The rub, unfortunately, is that this processor will apparently not be coming to the socketed desktop format, but will instead only be coming in "BGA" (that means the chip is soldered to the motherboard) format, implying that it is a part aimed exclusively at mobility and integrated form factors such as high end tablets, notebooks, and Ultrabooks.

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      Now, from a business perspective, this makes complete sense, so let me explain.

      Why Broadwell Won't Be Coming To Socketed Desktops

      When Intel released a socketed "Ivy Bridge" for the desktop, it seemed pointless from the point of view of the folks who buy these things. Sure the die size was smaller, and the integrated graphics were better, but these are the sorts of things that mean absolutely nothing to the socketed desktop crowd. The majority of folks buying these chips will either find the integrated graphics already "good enough", or if they need more 3D gaming performance, will be buying separate cards from either Nvidia (NVDA) or Advanced Micro Devices. Finally, while "ticks" do wonders to reduce power consumption, this is not something that people buying "towers" (where socketed chips/boards go) care too much about. As long as the electric bill isn't enormous and the heat dissipated isn't terrible, then the customer base here cares much more about performance than anything else. And, did I mention, that this customer base is a rather niche market?

      See, Broadwell will be the same sort of thing; a minimal improvement on the CPU side of things from Haswell (think 3-5% performance per clock improvement), but a solid improvement in power consumption, a big jump in graphics (Broadwell gets the new "Gen 8" graphics micro-architecture), and overall an excellent improvement for mobile users who care about performance within a power constrained, battery-life driven environment.

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        So, from Intel's perspective, why should it release a new chip for a user base when that new chip will not improve meaningfully on any vectors that this user base cares about? Broadwell is for all-in-one desktops, notebooks, Ultrabooks, and tablets, and it makes sense for Intel to not waste any of its 14nm capacity in this space when its 22nm (which should be very mature and cheap by then) parts will do the trick.

        In addition, it seems that Intel has something even better than "Broadwell" planned for the socketed desktop: "Haswell-E".

        Haswell-E: First Details Revealed

        The enthusiast crowd ("-E" stands for "enthusiast") doesn't want integrated graphics. This crowd wants gobs of performance, lots of cores, insane memory bandwidth, and doesn't care so much about power because they are very likely running systems with 1200W power supplies, 2-3 200W+ graphics cards, and more memory than an iPad has storage space. Intel, instead of bringing a socketed Broadwell which will be met by enthusiasts with a yawn, is apparently going to be stepping up its game on the "-E" parts in the Broadwell time frame:

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