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  • rbtbob rbtbob Jul 18, 2005 4:12 PM Flag

    ECD & Indian H2 3 wheeler

    Publication Date:18-July-2005
    08:46 AM US Eastern Timezone
    Source:India Express

    The great Indian autorickshaw may have just shifted to the eco-friendly CNG but it�s ready for the generation-next fuel.
    Taking a major leap towards Indo-US co-operation in the energy sector, the United States Department of Energy (DOE) and US Agency for International Development (USAID) have helped develop a hydrogen-run three-wheeler for Indian roads.

    The Rochester Hills (Michigan)-based Energy Conversion Devices (ECD) has successfully converted and developed a CNG-run three-wheeler of Bajaj Automobiles into one run on hydrogen fuel.

    With trial runs earlier this year, in extreme cold climatic conditions, giving a mileage of 130 km per 900 gm of hydrogen (equivalent to four litres of petrol), scientists believe the end product could yield much more.

    After the first vehicle conversion at ECD, a Bajaj automotive engineer was trained in the conversion process. Another CNG auto is being converted at the Bajaj headquarters using the conversion kit provided by ECD.

    ��Now it is awaiting trial runs, before commercial launch,�� Stan Ovshinsky, ECD founder, told The Sunday Express.

    The vehicle has already created ripples in the Indian auto industry and government circles. A high-level Indian delegation visited ECD in April, which included members from Tata Motors, Ashok Leyland, TVS, Mahindra and Mahindra, Maruti, Eicher, Cummins India, Society of Indian Automotives Manufacturers and the Automotive Research Association of India.

    A month later, Principal Scientific Advisor R. Chidambaram dropped in to have a look. He also had a ride on the hydrogen-run three-wheeler on May 19......snip

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    Could ECD's biggest deal just sneak in the back door?

    rbtbob

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    • THE "SET AMERICA FREE" REPORT is based on assumptions. One is that the hydrogen economy cannot be realized for at least a couple of decades, a supposition that emerges clearly from recent reports by organizations such as the National Academy of Sciences, in Washington, D.C., and the American Physical Society, based in College Park, Md. Until basic scientific breakthroughs occur, the reports concluded, the hydrogen vision will do nothing to liberate the United States from energy dependence or improve prospects for bringing down greenhouse gas emissions. The key driver is that they expect that amount of time for the breakthrough in Li battery safety.
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      The potential of the plug-in during the Tour de Sol race from 13 to 16 May in Schenectady and Albany, N.Y., a modified Prius equipped with a fully charged 9-kWh lithium-ion battery pack achieved 2.31 liters per 100 km (102 miles per gallon) on a 240-km course. It did not blow up or overheat. I was delivered fully charged using existing cold weather plug in infrastructure powered ultimately by hydroelectricity. It is representative of the modified hybrids that clean-car promoters and hobbyists have been building, partly for fun, partly to show how wide adoption of plug-ins could lead to dramatically lower gasoline consumption and oil imports. It also hinted how more stable and more dense chemistries in space available prisms would have improved stability, capacity, and handling.

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