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  • ecd_anonymous ecd_anonymous Dec 29, 2006 6:02 PM Flag

    US automakers join battery project - nopec2001

    US automakers join battery project\

    Goal is lighter, less costly hybrid cell
    By Jason Roberson, Detroit Free Press December 24, 2006


    Sales of hybrid vehicles, which increased from 84,000 in 2004 to
    205,000 in 2005, show no signs of slowing down. But prices of
    nickel, the main element in nearly all hybrid batteries today,
    have increased from $7 a kilogram (2.2 pounds) in the mid-1990s
    to $25 a kilogram today, and automakers are considering


    General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co., DaimlerChrysler AG, and the
    U S Department of Energy -- members of the U S Advanced Battery
    Consortium -- awarded Johnson Controls and Saft a two-year
    contract Aug. 14 to develop lithium-ion batteries.

    The automakers and the Department of Energy signed a $125 million
    agreement in July to split the cost of hybrid battery development
    projects. Johnson Controls also is fronting money and
    contributing equipment, expertise, and employees to develop the

    The goal is to make batteries for $500 each.


    More than 50 percent of the manufacturing costs for lithium-ion
    and nickel-metal hydride batteries are for materials. Lithium-ion
    batteries will be cheaper than nickel-metal hydride batteries
    because it takes less lithium to deliver the same power as
    nickel, said Menahem Anderman, founder of Total Battery
    Consulting in Oregon House, Calif.

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    • And the WSJ today (12/30/06) categorically affirms that GM is going with the lithium-ion battery for its line of hybrid plugin cars.

      • 1 Reply to ar2743

        >>And the WSJ today (12/30/06) categorically affirms that GM is going with the lithium-ion battery for its line of hybrid plugin cars. << (ar2743)

        The only thing categorically true is that you are a fool and can not read well -- or are being deliberately manipulative. Also, you are obviously ignorant of -- or deliberately ignoring -- the earlier cogent discussions here about Lithium-Ion propulsion battery developments. Further, a far more informative article appeared in the WSJ a month before the subject article � it is fully consistent with the fact-based discussion on this MB at about the same time. (Notice the �fact-based� qualifier � much of the prior discussion was just as ignorant as your above incorrect conclusion.)

        Here is the 12/30/06 article�s URL (will likely require a subscription to WSJ on-line), and the only pertinent clip re GM�s Lithium-Ion battery hopes (the rest of the article is a general plea for oil conservation and environmental concerns that would be much alleviated by plug-in hybrids): (**** highlighting added)

        Wall Street Journal
        Gentlemen Start Your Plug-Ins
        By R. James Woolsey
        30 December 06

        <<<The change is being driven by innovations in the batteries that now power modern electronics. ****If hybrid gasoline-electric cars are provided with advanced batteries (GM's announcement said its choice would be lithium-ion) ****having improved energy and power density -- variants of the ones in our computers and cell phones -- dozens of vehicle prototypes are now demonstrating that these "plug-in hybrids" can more than double hybrids' overall (gasoline) mileage. With a plug-in, charging your car overnight from an ordinary 110-volt socket in your garage lets you drive 20 miles or more on the electricity stored in the topped-up battery before the car lapses into its normal hybrid mode. If you forget to charge or exceed 20 miles, no problem, you then just have a regular hybrid with the insurance of liquid fuel in the tank. And during those 20 all-electric miles you will be driving at a cost of between a penny and three cents a mile instead of the current 10-cent-a-mile cost of gasoline.>>>

        First, Woolsey is NOT a battery expert -- second, he is NOT correctly quoting GM. GM�s Rick Wagoner made GM�s position re Lithium-Ion batteries quite clear in a WSJ article on 29 November 06 � see my next post.

    • ener is clearly missing the boat (solar and bats)

      is all about PRAM now
      if or how soon and how much $$$$$$$$$$$ in royalties in the next 2-3 years

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