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  • murdoch65 murdoch65 Jan 18, 2000 8:21 PM Flag

    Further EV1 Discussion

    I test-drove an older lead-acid ev1 yesterday,
    along with a NiMH Honda (thankyou DKCTX). The EV1 is a
    fine 2-seat car, not completely unlike a smooth
    driving Japanese sports car such as an Integra or Celica
    (albeit with serious range and recharge issues). I
    compare it thusly partly because of the extreme rake of
    the windshield and the low center of gravity that
    lends itself to a certain type of handling. Wasn't able
    to determine if it's front-wheel drive or
    not.

    It's difficult trying to carry on this campaign to
    continue discussion of why GM has not delivered more of
    these, because solid info seems difficult to come by,
    but here are some of the present issues.

    As
    near as I can tell (I apologize if this is inaccurate)
    there is a wait-list for the present GM EV's.


    GM claims that demand does not presently warrant
    further "builds" even though there is a
    wait-list.

    Again, as near as I can tell, about 300 vehicles exist
    which could be used to satisfy some or all of the
    present wait-list. It is difficult to ascertain GM's
    excuse as to why they will not deliver those vehicles.
    One person had heard that GM wanted to deliver the
    cars "smoothly". I.e., that they did not want to
    deliver all of them right away and then have the further
    wait-list people be forced to wait with no vehicles to
    deliver. This sounded so absurd that I couldn't believe
    that GM would stoop to such an obscenely disrespectful
    policy, but most of this situation fits that
    qualification.

    There do seem to be some real issue of quality control
    and/or maintenance issues with the batteries. One
    speculation was that since GM had the cars sit for so long
    with some full charge, then this was understandably
    bad for the batteries.

    If anyone has any solid
    info to confirm or counter what I have written, then I
    should be glad to read it.

    As to ECD, bought back
    into it today. Good batteries in my camera, CDRW and
    DVD-Ram look like things I might get.

    I still
    don't buy their royalty policies, but a bit of
    speculation can't hurt me. Too much.

    MM

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    • and ovonic partnership with GM if they aren't
      pushing ev and batteries and joint venture with a smaller
      car company that needs an edge to get ahead of the
      big boys like HONDA years ago. If ENER would start to
      make contracts that pay, that force production #'s,
      and pay a high dollar value, maybe they would be
      producing their own cars today. Call ENER. Wake them up.
      Start selling stuff. Start selling motorcycles like
      HONDA did. DO SOMETHING YOU FOOLS. All sharholders
      should get together at the next stock meeting and be
      heard!!!!!

      • 2 Replies to stkg1
      • Having thought about it a bit more, I don't think
        a small company like ECD could have a legal battle
        with a company like GM and come away better for it,
        unless there were some very strange
        circumstances.

        As it stands, the most positive thing I see going on
        is the apparently real commitment of Honda and
        Toyota to their respective hybrid car efforts. This is
        positive for us, I think, because those cars require
        genuinely excellent batteries, and that's where a company
        like ECD comes in. Furthermore, Honda, at least,
        appears to be committed to *selling* *lots* of these
        things and has talked about incorporating the strategy
        into other cars. Toyota has apparently sold more than
        it planned in Japan.

        Furthermore, although I
        have not seen it mentioned anywhere, it seems to me
        that a primary aspect of hybrids is that,
        theoretically, one could recharge the electric aspect of it from
        a plug rather than from the onboard engine. So, if
        one were merely making many small trips (as so many
        of us do during stretches of our lives) one might
        theoretically treat the vehicle as an electric, using the
        hydrogen or hydrocarbon aspect of it only very
        rarely.

        From a business standpoint the hybrid allows for the
        perpetuation of the long-range battery aspect of future
        vehicles while allowing for time to improve those
        batteries. At least, that's how I see
        it.

        Regards.

        MM

      • Can't comment as to the wisdom of such a
        proposal. Guess it's just not up my alley.

        There's a
        CARB meeting of some sort in Sacramento coming up,
        though, that I've heard people are going to attend and
        attempt to be heard. Their point, I think, will be the
        viability of the excellent ev's they've already leased and
        bought, and the need to make sure that the carmakers
        don't claim that no more are necessary. GM will be a
        focus for some, as GM is obviously dragging its feet in
        the most disrespectful of manners.

    • One EV1 with ELSI batteries, cause it rocks and is the only battery that can deliver and be recycled in the whole wide world. Wanna mke some money, BUY ELSI!!
      LOVE JEWEL!!

 
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