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  • risk_realist risk_realist Jan 21, 2002 1:11 AM Flag

    Doing her job?

    Well Mike,

    In a turnaround situation such as this, it is a strategy a CEO/Change Agent uses to set unreasonable goals that the company can't make to drive up the "sence of urgency." Including taking a finacial loss if need be. And creating a sense of urgency is how you drive change, exactly what she was hired her to do.

    Leading Change, John Kotter, Konsuke Matsushita Professor of Leadership at Harvard Business School, pg 44:

    Ways to Raise the Urgency Level
    #1-Create a crisis by allowing a financial loss...
    #3 Set revenue, income, productiivty, customer sat and cycle-time targets so high that they can't be reached by conducting business as usual.

    Straight out of Harvard Business School. And I'll give more credence to Carly acting on the knowledge and widsom of HBS, than I do you, annoyomous or not.

    I really do encourage you to pull your head out the sand and GET IT. Its your job and responsiblity as a "manager."

    And as far as this: "allow them to come to their own conclusions, rather than surmise that they are incited and infuriated at every turn of my keyboard. In what I've witnessed, that sounds more like YOU than THEM."

    I'm willing to give them valid, researched, data; instead of mis-constructed supposed analysis that supposed to credible because of your position as a manager.

    You better believe I think you are here to incite this board, and I think you are using your position as a manager to do it.

    Disgusting! Maybe I should take you up on your offer and call your manager, I'm really becoming appalled at your actions, and particularly your use of the N and K words on this board by an HP manager.

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    • "Realist",

      I don't know any HP employees that are impressed
      by what someone says just because they are a
      manager. The employees I know are smart enough
      to evaluate what is said, and are not automatically
      impressed by what any manager has to say.

      Maybe you need to get out more and mix.

      As for Mike's earlier use of epithets, you
      might have noticed they weren't DIRECTED at
      anyone. Or perhaps that doesn't matter to you,
      and you would have Professor Kennedy indicted
      for his latest book, an excerpt of which was
      read tonight on "60 Minutes". The title is an
      epithet, but so as not to upset you, I'll only
      say it starts with "N".

      If it helps you, Professor Kennedy is a rather
      handsome black academic. Let's hope he's not a
      musician and an "heir" too.

      You quoted from a book by Professor Kotter,
      Harvard Business School, about "leading change".
      If that's the best advice Harvard has to offer
      ("create a crisis by allowing a financial loss")
      as a means to raise the urgency level for change
      then we as shareholders should embrace financial
      loss - lest we stand in the way of change.

      "Realist", are you going to argue that Carly has
      created a crisis at HP by allowing financial loss,
      so as to "lead change" ?? Or are you arguing
      that the goals she set (like 15% profit) were
      set artificially high to force change - knowing
      employees couldn't make the goals no matter how
      hard they worked ??

      If Professor Kotter and his ilk are your icons,
      then I pity the people who work under you. When
      you finally pull YOUR head from the sand, you'll
      understand that blind allegiance is not much
      comfort at the end of the day.

      - Anzerguy

    • "Realist",

      First, understand that employees evaulate the
      CONTENT of a statement and are not generally
      impressed just because a manager said it.
      Whether "mtothar" is a manager or not doesn't
      concern me. The situation that prompts him to
      comment IS what concerns me.

      You are very upset that "mtothar" used epithets
      in one of his posts. In case you didn't notice,
      those epithets weren't DIRECTED at anyone, but
      used in a discussion of slander and character
      assassination.

      If you had watched "60 Minutes" tonight you
      would have heard a long excerpt read from a
      book written by Professor Kennedy(?), an academic.

      The book discusses in some detail the usage and
      context of a common epithet. The title of the
      book is that epithet. It starts with the letter
      "N". You may rest a little easier knowing that
      Professor Kennedy is a rather handsome black man. Let's hope he's not also a musician and an
      "heir" to anything.

      Your example of Harvard's Professor Kotter, and
      his ideas for "leading change" are a wonderful
      example of why Mort Sahl got out of doing satire
      years ago.

      You cite the following as "knowledge & wisdom"
      delivered to us by Professor Kotter, for
      "leading change":

      #1 - "Create a crisis by allowing a financial loss"

      Are you saying that Carly provoked, even encouraged financial loss so she could act as a
      change agent ?? And do you wonder why shareholders
      might question this ??

      #2) "Set revenue, income, productivity, customer
      sat and cycle-time targets so high that they can't be reached by conducting business as usual."

      Would you have us believe that when Carly set
      high revenue goals in a faltering economy, she
      was simply acting as a change agent ?? Do you
      believe that Carly set goals for employees to
      achieve, knowing that they could NOT achieve them ?? Manipulation ??

      If Professor Kotter and his ilk are your icons,
      then I pity the people who work under you. When
      you finally pull YOUR head from the sand, you
      may one day understand that blind allegiance is
      cold comfort at the end of the day.

      - Anzerguy

 
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