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  • billyliar66 billyliar66 Feb 1, 2013 3:07 PM Flag

    Right Wing Propaganda of the Day: IRS Says $20,000 for Obamacare

     

    Source: proposed IRS regulation: this is a hypothetical example, not a projection or determination.

    The advantage the GOP always has is matching its stupidity against the intelligence of the Democrats. The GOP has a lopsided advantage, it has such an abundance of stupidity.

    Plus, it has all you 'vectors' or willing carriers of stupidity.
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    Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage. (i) In 2016, Taxpayers
    H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L,
    age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for
    any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable
    filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a
    family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.
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    These are HYPOTHETICAL examples.

    The projected cost for a Bronze plan is $12000 a year for a family. Less than equivilent coverage today in the 'free' marketplace.

    Cost will go down from there year after year.

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    • betty....12k a year for a bronze plan is the current estimate....the IRS indicates that by 2016 it will be around 20k. Nice try but you whacko's did not come close to fixing the cost issues in health care.

      • 2 Replies to poltava_v
      • I agree in part, health care cost reduction hasn't kicked in yet, neither has most of the ACA. Once the healthcare pigs find they are only shuffling money from one group: patients, to another, care givers, keeping only a razor thin 'vig' for themselves, they'll drop out of the market place.

        We'll have government run universal coverage like Germany, Belgium, Japan, Finland, Sweden, France, Denmark. We'll pay half that we do now, and get better coverage.

        What's not to like?

      • That's $4,000/year per person, or $333/month. do you have a better idea to reduce our health care costs, beyond requiring 40,000,000 who now get heath care for free (on your and my dime), by requiring them to pay their own way? Didn't you think that paying your own way and being self-sufficient was the right solution? Or do you really prefer to pay high insurance rates and taxes to cover those who, so far, won't pay their own way?

        Sentiment: Hold

    • those are numbers directly from the IRS. Apparently the stupidity lies within.

    • The information came from the IRS not from the GOP. I think your problem is that you just don't want to believe that the information provided by the IRS could be true and accurate. And frankly even if the bronze plan is 12k a year I don't know about you but $1000/mo for health insurance is 3 times what I pay for my family per month now from my employer plan. You are twisting the facts and lying about the current cost of Health care for most employed people today even with the 20% increase most of us have seen since Obama was introduced.
      Typical liberal lies and propaganda to feed to the uneducated and unintelligent liberal masses like yourself..

      • 2 Replies to rahtexas12
      • rahtexas, the operative terms in your response are "what I pay for my family per month" and "my employer plan". If you are covered by an employer provided plan, unless you are working for a very small employer, you are only paying a small percentage of the premium being charged and your employer is paying the rest. As a health benefit consultant and actuary I can almost guarantee that the total premium being charged to your employer for your family is in excess of $1,000 per month. Your contribution to the premium is probably somewhere between 25 and 30 percent of the premium. And even at that I would not be surprised if you did not have a high deductible health plan whose benefits are significantly less than the bronze plan that will be offered by insurers on the health exchanges.

    • So are you saying that we passed the bill before we read it??? And now that we read it, it worse than we thought??

 
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