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  • w.heinlein w.heinlein Dec 4, 2013 2:59 PM Flag

    And your alternative to Obamacare is...?

    Loudly opposing Obamacare may give Republicans a little spasm of pleasure, but since they have nothing to offer in its place the pleasure is short-lived and doesn't produce any long-term benefit for the party. It may not even have an impact on the mid-year elections, which tend to be locally focused in the absence of a Presidential race. By 2016, the ACA will be firmly entrenched as the law of the land and running against it will be a waste of time and effort.

    And that's a shame because there are many ways to improve the law some of which, at least, people who present themselves as economic conservatives should get behind. I've written here more than once that the
    cartelized hospital industry should be a natural target for believers in free markets; hospital charges make up about one-third of the national health care bill and they are increasingly ridiculous in relation to the value of the services performed. But you can search the rhetoric of the Republican gasbags from top to bottom without finding any serious proposal for going after the cartels. ( It wasn't always this way: Teddy Roosevelt gained fame and won an election as a "trust buster" for example.) There are many other pro-competitive
    reforms that could be advocated by the GOP, but the urge to score political points by attacking the badly flawed roll-out of the ACA is apparently too strong to overcome.

    So when you read posters here lambasting Obamacare, ask them what their alternative is. You will get either silence or invective as your response.

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    • So you took a broken system....made it worse and now play the diversion tactics of 'well you didn't have any ideas that were as bad as mine so shut it'.....

      You wanted full gov't control and you got it and now it's blowing up and you fall back to your usual blame some other guy. You own this mess....deal with it.

      • 2 Replies to poltava_v
      • Like I said, silence or invective. You chose invective, no surprise there.

      • poltava, yep, there is always an alternative. The HC providers just have to be more creative:

        The phone rings and the lady of the house answers, 'Hello.'

        'Mrs. Sanders, please.'

        'Speaking.'

        'Mrs. Sanders, this is Doctor Jones at Saint Agnes Laboratory. When your husband's doctor sent his biopsy to the lab last week, a biopsy from another Mr. Sanders arrived as well. We are now uncertain which one belongs to your husband. Frankly, either way the results are not too good.'

        'What do you mean?' Mrs. Sanders asks nervously.

        'Well, one of the specimens tested positive for Alzheimer's and the other one tested positive for HIV. We can't tell which is which.'

        'That's dreadful! Can you do the test again?' questioned Mrs. Sanders.

        'Normally we can, but Medicare will only pay for these expensive tests one time.'

        'Well, what am I supposed to do now?'

        'The folks at Medicare recommend that you drop your husband off somewhere in the middle of town. If he finds his way home, don't sleep with him.'

    • Not only is Obamacare/ACA a "done deal" but the insurcos and hospitals are going to love it, because at least they'll know what they're going to be reimbursed for and can plan accordingly. They won't be out of money when Joe Bindlestiff is carted into the E.R. in a Diabetes coma, and then they have to take it out of Joe Sixpack's hide by billing him $6,000 for an MRI when he has a pain in his shoulder. The pricing will be fairer to the paitents and more consistent for the healthcare providers.

      AND it will be fashionable among the young. The Democrats are going to tell the young chicks not to sleep with anybody who doesn't have health insurance.

      The Republicans are going to look like a bunch of selfish old fuddy-duddies dissing this thing.

    • Dude, the alternative is NOTHING: I am not my brother's keeper and you want use FORCE to make people to be their brother's keeper, whether they like it or not. (e.g. if I don't pay my taxes for your Greedy Liberal "entitlements" - I go to jail. That's implied FORCE. I don't want a heavy-handed gov't like you do.

      You GimmeDats (aka "Democrats") want all sorts of "free stuff" from society without a care or concern how it will be paid for. SO it is YOU who are the GREEDY ones, not the producers in society who simply want to keep what they produce.

      Final note in my lecture to you naive souls: Do you fools REALLY think there will be enough Doctors, Nurses, Hospitals for the 30,000,000-40,000,000 currently uninsured people when they demand healthcare? Have you ever had an Economics class in which you were taught about the laws of Supply & Demand. Yup I thought not.

      Vladimer Lennin once referred to sheeple like you as "Useful Idiots."

      • 2 Replies to tyroneyeah
      • Before you quote remarks allegedly made by Lenin, you might want to learn to spell his name.

        As far as your Ayn Rand "producers" go, why is a factory worker or a fast food cook any less of a producer than a hedge fund manager? Or maybe I should put it the other way around: what does a hedge fund manager "produce" to earn his multi-billion dollar income?

        And just what is is that you want the 40 million uninsured to do when they get sick or seriously injured? Die quickly so they don't burden society with the costs of their care? That's a hell of a health care plan. What they do now is crowd the emergency rooms and spread communicable diseases to others including people like you while running up huge bills that taxpayers ultimately pay. If you think you can insulate yourself from the troubles of the rest of society, think again. Microbes don't know what's in your bank account. Drunk drivers don't simply hit poor people. Earthquakes don't just strike poor neighborhoods, nor do hurricanes. To live in society is to assume responsibility to some degree for the welfare of everyone.

      • Excellent post.

    • Ranting about a failed system then introducing a law which fixes nothing and makes the situation worse is criminal yet that doesn't seem to bother you one bit.

 
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