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  • saudi2 saudi2 Nov 17, 1997 10:31 PM Flag

    Mercede

    does anyone know where information might be available on the partnering arrangement between Intel and HWP for the development of the next generation chip, code named mercede. Why is it that Intel would choose HWP over other firms that have more to bring to the table in the way of chip development.

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    • Merced is based on HP's PA-RISC
      architecture, HP designed the CHIP, intel
      just fabricated it. More than 70% instructions
      are stolen from PA-RISC instr set.

    • Intel is also backing the joint initiative with IBM/SCO/Sequent on IA 64.....

    • **Good points, there are really many advantages
      to Merced and McKinley (sp). I'm reminded what a
      great boost it was for HP when RISC started being used.
      You are correct, HP went ahead with RISC and only was
      joined by IBM months later, then the others came along.
      IMHO that was a major step in HPs competition with
      SUN, DEC, and IBM server business. What a
      coup!!
      **By the way, I appreciate your reasonable answer,
      some of the shrill responses to Mr YYM hurt my ears. A
      soft answer turns away wrath.

    • The reason why Intel chose HP is because HP had
      the technology that they needed. Hp two years ago
      decided to get out of the Business of producing their own
      processors, but they still had alot of knowledge. That's when
      Intel and HP realized that if they worked together,
      they could create a chip that would set new standards.

      • 1 Reply to firsdon
      • Did you know SUN is talking with INtel on merced,
        and more importantly the follow on. They want to port
        the SUN unix operating system to the merced/follow
        on.

        Intel is not looking for an exclusive customer they
        want everyone to use it, is HP going to make any
        merceds? Answer NO!

        Dell has also been talking to
        Intel about it and they didn't have to spend any money
        on it. Mike DELL says thank you HP, now we can buy a
        nice enterprise processor so we can compete against
        Sun HP and IBM in areas we couldn't dream of a few
        years ago.

        Pretty funny situation,
        DR YYW

    • There's a lot more to a successful business partnership than raw
      technological capability in which HP does not lack.

      • 1 Reply to Jeff0247598
      • Just to clear something up

        It's "like who"
        -this is the Accusative or direct object in English.
        "Whom" is the Dative or indirect object, and is usually
        preceded by a preposition such as "to" or
        "for".

        It's OK to not use "whom" as "who" is now accepted
        usage for the Dative in modern English. But you
        shouldn't use "whom" in the accusative as this is
        incorrect.

        I hope I'm not being pedantic,officious or
        sententious.

        No comment on the rest of your message except that
        there's a problem with "in which,etc". Try "which" or "of
        which".

    • The main reason Intel chose HP is the PA-Risc chip that HP developed in the 80s (in what some call a 'bet the Company' project).

      This chip runs all of HP's highend boxes now and will be incorporated in Merced with x86 stuff from Intel.

      Besides, who else is bett'rn HP for this type of project.
      My HP buddies think this will be the next great new product that will propel HWP to greater heights.

      I agree and also believe that their consumer product initiave will also increase margins.

      I'm gonna be rich, rich, do you hear me!!!! RICH

    • The code name is Merced not Mercede. Merced is a name of a river in US. Mercede is a well-known card maker. The reason is that HWP is one of the most innovative high-tech companies. HWP is a dominated player in the workstation company. I am sure
      that HWP wants to extend its workstation market share to over 50%. Maybe this is the reason that HWP is helping INTC to develop the next generation chip. I strongly beleieve that the project will be very sucessful. HWP stock will do well in next three to five years. The stock is around 60 now. I think that it is cheap . It probably will be over $100 when the Merced chips are going for mass production in 1999.

      • 4 Replies to ekurich
      • HA! Want some good reading material, view this guy's original post back in 97. Too bad this prediction was made BC (Before Carly). Little did he know one little wench would take down the whole company.

      • The message below represents the sentiment that existed wheh HP gave up its chip architecture ... and got in bed with Intel...

        CPQ had done the same giving away Alpha...

        Now we have great dreams for Intel delivering Intanium II ... Fact is Intel has already got what they wanted ... two legitimate competitors gave up the crown jewels...

        The truth is the NEW HP has no server roadmap now... And with the continuing collopase of its server business ... STorage and Services will shrink down to also rans as well..

        One thing is true in all industries when you have fundamentally incompetent leadership .. like the NEW HP has ... the company will always fall behind... and eventually may fold..

        eom




        Subj: Merced
        By: ekurich
        Date: 11/19/97 10:05 am

        The code name is Merced not Mercede. Merced is a name of a river in US. Mercede is a well-known card maker. The reason is that HWP is one of the most innovative high-tech companies. HWP is a dominated player in the workstation company. I am sure that HWP wants to extend its workstation market share to over 50%. Maybe this is the reason that HWP is helping INTC to develop the next generation chip. I strongly beleieve that the project will be very sucessful. HWP stock will do well in next three to five years. The stock is around 60 now. I think that it is cheap . It probably will be over $100 when the Merced chips are going for mass production in 1999.

      • Merced is not a good option, HP has realized
        it that is why they are cutting down the merced
        (IA-64) labs, after spending billions of dollars. A very basic question, how much
        a processor speed or good system arch can improve OS performance
        when they have very poor I/O transaction rate,
        problems with STREAMS code, TCP/IP stack of
        HP-UX unix OS.

      • ekurich, I also feel that it would be a very positive thing for HP. Though, I was thinking more along the lines of the HP's sharing in the chip sales. I take it from your response that you think that may be negligable in comparison with increased market
        share of the computer market. did I read that correctly? do you think that HP is only providing design expertise or do they stand to share in the profit from the actual sales of the chips? If so -- do you have any insight as to what that percentage might be? thanks.

 
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