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  • hurlbertdj hurlbertdj Feb 13, 1999 9:09 PM Flag

    3DFX STB merger

    Nvidia has taken away the 3D market from 3DFX.
    The TNT is superior to the Voodoo 2. Plus the Voodoo
    3 is going to be a flop; Ken Wirt, vice president
    of corporate communications for Diamond
    (Nasdaq:DIMD) said "STB is in trouble. In the gaming segment,
    Nvidia and 3Dfx have been neck and neck, and we feel
    Nvidia is ahead now." and "Voodoo3 is missing a number
    of key features for the OEM [PC maker] crowd: no
    32-bit rendering, no 4x AGP compatibility, and too
    little memory,"
    Many campanies including Nvidia
    coming out with video card's that are much better than
    the Voodoo 3, and are even less expensive than the
    $250 Voodoo 3. Also, since 3DFX has merged with STB,
    which is a much smaller video card manufacture compared
    to Creative Labs, Diamond, and ATI, 3DFX has lost
    any chance to selling their chip to the OEM's. If you
    want to read more about this check out this web
    site:
    http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/zdnn_display/0,3440,2175884,00.html

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    • That was a very amusing message. Of course
      Diamond is going to diss 3dfx because they're not getting
      any more chips from 3dfx so diamond will probably
      have to pull out of the 3d cards market. If you think
      V3 will be a flop, you're wrong. And you'll see that
      I'm right in 3 months. Do yourself a favor:take a
      survey of gamers w/ 32bit capable cards and ask them if
      they use 32bit. It will be <10% because they don't
      want the performance hit.

      shutup

      ashman

    • >> The TNT is superior to the Voodoo
      2.<<

      The Voodoo2 is 1 year old. Is this relevant? AMD's
      K6-2 400 is superior to Intel's Pentium 233MMX.
      Whip-ti-doo.

      >> Plus the Voodoo 3 is going to be a flop; Ken
      Wirt, vice president of corporate communications for
      Diamond (Nasdaq:DIMD) said "STB is in trouble. In the
      gaming segment, Nvidia and 3Dfx have been neck and neck,
      and we feel Nvidia is ahead now." and "Voodoo3 is
      missing a number of key features for the OEM [PC maker]
      crowd: no 32-bit rendering, no 4x AGP compatibility, and
      too little memory," <<

      Leave it to a
      competitor to bash 3Dfx. Not exactly an 'objective' source.
      Also, Voodoo3 does support AGP4X with the "Voodoo3
      4000" (Not officially announced yet.)

      >>
      Many campanies including Nvidia coming out with video
      card's that are much better than the Voodoo 3, and are
      even less expensive than the $250 Voodoo
      3.<<

      'Better' is a very vague word. Let's look at fillrate (ie:
      speed). Voodoo3 2000 ($129) is 286Mtexels/sec. TNT2
      manufactured by Skywell is 250Mtexels/sec, and I doubt it will
      be less than $129.

      >> Also, since 3DFX
      has merged with STB, which is a much smaller video
      card manufacture compared to Creative Labs, Diamond
      <<

      Clearly, you should spend at least another half hour
      researching this industry before investing in NVDA. STB is
      the largest OEM supplier right behind ATI. The
      supplier is one of the key choices for OEMs (unlike what
      nVidia would want you to believe) and STB has always
      been an order of magnitude ahead of Diamond and
      Creative Labs in the OEM market.

      Similarily,
      3Dfx-powered cards have been selling an order of magnitude
      greater than nVidia's cards at retail. So you have the
      best OEM distributor (STB), and the best retail brand
      name (Voodoo). This is a very powerful
      combination.

      Meanwhile, nVidia has lost it's single biggest customer
      accounting for 63% of their revenue, has incured 5 lawsuits
      from three seperate companies, has lost money every
      since they existed, has potentially lost DIMD as a
      board partner since they are going with the Savage 4,
      are set to release a product that was supposed to be
      released last september, are getting there but kicked at
      retail, and still manage to have a market cap 3x that of
      3Dfx. Sorry, but it just doesn't add up.

    • That article's two months old (an eternity in the
      graphics business). It contains statements that are no
      longer true, and your post also contains factual errors.
      Would you like me to point them out to you, or do would
      you prefer someone else to take first crack at it?

 
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