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  • may02123 may02123 Jun 13, 2002 10:44 AM Flag

    Dangerous Game.

    MM's playing a dangerous game. More losses on theMarket = Less consumer Confidence.A vicious cycle that will see the MM's out of business unless they pause and consider the downside of shitting in their own nests.

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    • I agree. There is nothing wrong with shorts in the market, but this is exactly where the problem is. Giving the market a buzz cut, at this time can only weaken consumer confidence, weaker consumer confidence means less consumer spending, which leads to less corporate profits, which leads to less corporate capital expenditure. Not good. Where were these wise guys on the way to the top of the markets? Why wasn't the market being kept in check by shorting then? A time where growth would have been sustained had it been kept in check.

      My opinion: Wall street really concerned with its own profits, yet it is so dependant on corporate performance- and we know what that depends on. So if the still encourage shorting to the point where the market collapes, I do not see any quick recovery on the horizon. I don't think they really care, for they are motivated by their own profits which are measured in quarters after all!!

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      • <<Where were these wise guys on the way to the top of the markets? Why wasn't the market being kept in check by shorting then? A time where growth would have been sustained had it been kept in check.>>

        Some were there. But the irresponsible longs who just kept throwing money into stocks regardless of valuation crushed them. There was no compasion then for shorts. Longs just laughed at and taunted them while all along creating a bubble which you seem to now want to blame on the shorts for having not prevented. The fact is with out shorts the bubble would have continued to expand until it ultimately exploded and the economy WOULD have colapsed. It has happened in other markets throughout history. But what we are experiencing is a long drawn out deflating of the bubble which our economy can survive.

        The market won't keep going one direction excessively forever. This will end, but not without a price.

    • You are obviously are a person in deep deep denial. First you post about how peeps selling here are FOOLS for giving their shares away, then you direct blame toward the MM's.

      My guess is your losses in this bear market are very substantial - so much it is effecting your life and those around you.

      I don't know you except from 2 ridiculous posts this morning - how am I doing?

      You need to get something through your thick skull - WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DEEP DEEP RECESSION!!!! Very likely to be classified as the 2nd great depression before it is all over - possibly several years from now.

      You keep your long positions if you must. In the mean-time, I suggest you find any family member or aquaintance that is old enough to remember the last great depression. You will be on the losing end of this as well.

      We have an economy that SUX, our taxes are at record levels with a federal governement that is in debt to the tune of TRILLIONS, and now we have terrorism that will likely never go away.

      Doom and gloom? I guess you could say so. I'd rather be objective that watch my finances go down the toilet and let my family down. They count on me. I will not fail. I will continue to short tech stocks until they are DEAD - and they are far from dead. Then there will be other pigs to slaughter.

      If and when things do start to turn, I'll be the first to trade long and reap profits while everybody else is tapped out.

      Good Luck to you and stop your deep denial.

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      • barjiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        You don't seem to have any knowledge in the economic policies of your country. The FED is currently letting the bubble burst but as soon as the stock market decline reaches levels threatening the image and future of this country, they will do everything possible to take the market high. And believe me we are almost there. This is a period when badly managed companies are let go bankcrupt. And the survivors will be rewarded big time...
        And don't compare this recession to the 1930's because then the US didn't have any super power ambitions.

      • If and when things do start to turn, I'll be the first to trade long and reap profits while everybody else is tapped out.
        <<
        Since you want to talk about foolish posting lets look at you. Obviously you think trading and not investing is the way yo go. Further, you indicate that investors (current and past) will be be "tapped" out when the market turns. Why is that? Did I miss something that indicates holding onto a long position "costs" dollars that come out of your pocket? Lets not talk about "opportunity" cost but "real" cost. Your implication is that it is a real cost leaving people tapped out and unable to take adavantage of the inevitable market upturn. Can you explain yourself?

        >>and now we have terrorism that will likely never go away
        <<
        I hope you are not foolish enough to think that terrorism can not be reduced to a rarity again. If not, you really are a pesimist.

        >>Doom and gloom? I guess you could say so
        <<
        You certainly are full of that.

        >>I'd rather be objective that watch my finances go down the toilet and let my family down
        <<
        You mean all of your finances are in the stock market or other volatile securities? Get some help. Get some help.

        >>I will continue to short tech stocks until they are DEAD
        <<
        This is the best point to end this reply on. You imply that you will continue to short tech stocks until they are dead? Why? Do you think technology is going away? Do you think technology offers the best of everything right now. Do you think the best days of technology are behind us? Is so... get some help. Get some help.

      • "Doom and gloom?" ;-) "Deep denial" ? ;-)

        D&G = RTB. RTB = Reason to BUY. I love this gloom and pessimism. I am old enough to remember the cycles of doom and gloom that this market has navigated. It has been profitalbe shorting down. It will be also profitable riding it back up. You seem to be an unusually neagative poster on here. That is what I like to see. There are many like you out there shorting: that is a good sign. When the average guy like you becomes an "expert" at shorting, that is when I want to get in. I haven't seen this "expertise" being exercised in a long while. The bottom is near. Thanks largely to guys like YOU. You will be forced to cover anything you short; maybe on your terms, maybe not. That is the risk you take.
        Good luck to you !! We can all make money here, even the pesky OPTIMISTS !
        :-)

 

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