Actually, I don't think atms is that bad. Next quater will be better than the last one. At least .54/sh is a done deal. Like GTNR,I think the expansion depends on the new product. For GTNR, v-conf, chameleon for ATMS. Neither of them is the biggest player in its own area. Both have uncertainty, that's the reason for their recent drop off. I am still holding both of them and bought some CDT for divisification. A pe=20 gigabyte/cable/fiber player.