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  • azalphainvestor azalphainvestor Aug 24, 2005 2:53 AM Flag

    Iraq... the Truth

    Some of you often ask why I so like to quote the NY Times and Thomas Friedman. The answer is really simple. They get it. They get it for the right reasons. And they say and explain it plainly and well:

    August 24, 2005 NY Times Editorial
    President Bush's Loss of Faith

    It took President Bush a long time to break his summer vacation and acknowledge the pain that the families of fallen soldiers are feeling as the death toll in Iraq continues to climb. When he did, in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Utah this week, he said exactly the wrong thing. In an address that repeatedly invoked Sept. 11 - the day that terrorists who had no discernable connection whatsoever to Iraq attacked targets on American soil - Mr. Bush offered a new reason for staying the course: to keep faith with the men and women who have already died in the war.

    "We owe them something," Mr. Bush said. "We will finish the task that they gave their lives for." It was, as the mother of one fallen National Guardsman said, an argument that "makes no sense." No one wants young men and women to die just because others have already made the ultimate sacrifice. The families of the dead do not want that, any more than they want to see more soldiers die because politicians cannot bear to admit that they sent American forces to war by mistake.

    Most Americans believed that their country had invaded Iraq to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, but we know now that those weapons did not exist. If we had all known then what we know now, the invasion would have been stopped by a popular outcry, no matter what other motives the president and his advisers may have had.

    It is also very clear, although the president has done his level best to muddy the picture, that Iraq had nothing to do with Sept. 11. Mr. Bush's insistence on making that link, over and over, is irresponsible. In fact, it was the American-led invasion that turned Iraq into a haven for Islamist extremists.

    When Mr. Bush articulated his "comprehensive strategy" for responding to the threat of terrorism, he listed three aims: "protecting this homeland, taking the fight to the enemy and advancing freedom." The invasion of Iraq flunks the first two tests. But it did free the Iraqi people from a brutal dictator and may still provide an opportunity to inspire the rest of the Arab world with an example of democracy and religious toleration.

    Right now, however, the Iraqi Assembly is dickering over a constitution draft that would not accomplish any of the American goals. It would fail to protect the rights of Iraq's Sunni Arab minority and the rights of women, and it would enshrine Islam as a main source of law. It could well lead to a fracturing of Iraq into an all but independent, and oil-rich, Kurdish homeland in the north and an oil-rich Shiite theocracy in the south, while the oil-poor center was left to the disaffected Sunnis, the terrorists and the American troops. It's an outcome that would make the violent religious extremists very happy.

    Preventing that kind of tragic last chapter is the only rational argument for continuing the American presence in Iraq. The president's strange declaration yesterday that the draft constitution would protect the rights of women and minorities, and his continuing attempts to clog the debate with misleading explanations, suggest his own lack of commitment to the only rationale for keeping American troops in Iraq - or, perhaps, his lack of faith in the likely outcome."

    http://nytimes.com/2005/08/24/opinion/24wed1.html

    alpha

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    • QWAK,mikiesmoky,SLITHER,away,SLITHER,slither!

      the DUCK

    • REGARDING: The previous posting by Ugly

      RESPONSE: Due to the quality and substance of his comments, any response would be wasted.

    • QWAK,mikiesmoky,SLITHER back under your rock,YOU totaly depend on the RIGED STOCK MARKET and PHONEY FIAT MONEY and never miss a chance to TRY to DISCOURAGE the idea that GOLD and SILVER are a GOOD way to AVOID being SCAMED by the BANKERS and GVERNMENT, THAT is not having a horse in the race BUT it IS having an INTRIST in the RACT TRACK staying OPEN so YOU can make money off the SUCKERS who TRUST and BET!

      GOLD and SILVER are HONIST MONEY always have been and always WILL BE, the current FIAT REALITY is an ANOMILY forced on people by GREEDY, CORRUPT, BANKERS and GOVERNMENT officials, it is a way to ROB them by DEBASING the currency and allows others to confuse them in to believing the currency is NOT the problem causing all the OTHER problems that they DO SEE and have to deal with.

      HONIST MONEY helps to minimise THAT but it makes it HARD for people who make money on the fringes off the BIG SCAM,like YOU! You may NOT have a HORSE in the RACE you are the HORESE ASS making money off the race GAMBELING/INVESTING as you prefer to call it.

      I want people to be SAFE from "HELPFULL" LOL, people like YOU!

      the DUCK

    • REGARDING: Mikiesmoky is TOTALY SELF SERVING, he cares not a bit WHO gets harmed as long as it serves Mikie and his PURPOSE

      RESPONSE: What have I said that was "self-serving"?
      I have no horse in ANY race.
      You do!

    • REGARDING: Michael, you will always find something to slather on when presented with facts that contradict your conclusions.

      RESPONSE: Canoodle, you just can't shake yourself of your "technique" of obfuscation.

      What "facts" did you present that contradicted my conclusions?

      Please be specific, i.e., with convolution.

    • No Canoodle.. It is what you refuse to admit. It is the Iraq War that is costing 5Billion a month. That is adventure which must justify the cost. To argue otherwise is to avoid or put your hand in the sand.

      Alpha

    • QWAK,canucanoe,I percieve Michale "SLITHERING" like a "SNAKE" misleading others by mixing TRUTH and delibrit distraction and BULL SHIT that serves his own purpose. Much like the web page I presented on BULL SHITERS, Mikiesmoky is TOTALY SELF SERVING, he cares not a bit WHO gets harmed as long as it serves Mikie and his PURPOSE and of corse his OVER INFLATED EGO!

      the DUCK

    • Michael, you will always find something to slather on when presented with facts that contradict your conclusions.

    • Alpha, pork by its definition, is not getting value. Doesn't matter if the highway bill builds bridges to nowhere or the Iraq funding purchases overpaid American contractor workers. What you fail to understand is that it is not the Iraq War costing these billions, it is the pork. And that pork keeps certain American industries humming, the unemployment rate down, and your beloved energy and tech stocks higher.

    • REGARDING: I do believe your ability to weigh things is disturbed by your need to justify conclusions determined before the weighing process. I will point out our military operation has significantly fewer casualties than what the al Q operations of the last 10 years produced.

      RESPONSE: Thank you for, again, confirming your immorality.

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