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  • eggsnham007 eggsnham007 Apr 15, 2008 11:05 AM Flag

    We Drive (On Ethanol) so They can Starve !

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/04/14/ccview114.xml

    Global warming rage lets global hunger grow
    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
    Last Updated: 1:08pm BST 15/04/2008

    "We drive, they starve. The mass diversion of the North American grain harvest into ethanol plants for fuel is reaching its political and moral limits.

    A demonstrator eats grass in front of a U.N. peacekeeping soldier during a protest against the high cost of living in Port-au-Prince

    "The reality is that people are dying already," said Jacques Diouf, of the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). "Naturally people won't be sitting dying of starvation, they will react," he said.

    The UN says it takes 232kg of corn to fill a 50-litre car tank with ethanol. That is enough to feed a child for a year. Last week, the UN predicted "massacres" unless the biofuel policy is halted.

    We are all part of this drama whether we fill up with petrol or ethanol. The substitution effect across global markets makes the two morally identical.

    Mr Diouf says world grain stocks have fallen to a quarter-century low of 5m tonnes, rations for eight to 12 weeks. America - the world's food superpower - will divert 18pc of its grain output for ethanol this year, chiefly to break dependency on oil imports. It has a 45pc biofuel target for corn by 2015.

    Argentina, Canada, and Eastern Europe are joining the race.

    "The world food situation is very serious: we have seen riots in Egypt, Cameroon, Haiti and Burkina Faso," said Mr Diouf. "There is a risk that this unrest will spread in countries where 50pc to 60pc of income goes to food," he said.

    Haiti's government fell over the weekend following rice and bean riots. Five died.

    The global food bill has risen 57pc in the last year. Soaring freight rates make it worse. The cost of food "on the table" has jumped by 74pc in poor countries that rely on imports, according to the FAO.

    Roughly 100m people are tipping over the survival line. The import ratio for grains is: Eritrea (88pc), Sierra Leone (85pc), Niger (81pc), Liberia (75pc), Botswana (72pc), Haiti (67pc), and Bangladesh (65pc).

    This Malthusian crunch has been building for a long time. We are adding 73m mouths a year. The global population will grow from 6.5bn to 9.5bn before peaking near mid-century.

    Asia's bourgeoisie is switching to an animal-based diet. If they follow the Japanese, protein-intake will rise by nine times. It takes 8.3 grams of corn feed to produce a 1g of beef, or 3.1g for pork.

    China's meat demand has risen to 50kg per capita from 20kg in 1980, but this has been gradual. The FAO insists that this dietary shift is "not the cause of the sudden food price spike that began in 2005".

    Hedge funds played their part in the violent rise in spot prices early this year. To that extent they can be held responsible for the death of African and Asian children. Tougher margin rules on the commodity exchanges might have stopped the racket. Capitalism must police itself, or be policed.

    Even so, the funds closed their killer "long" trades in early March, causing a brief 20pc mini-crash in grains. The speculators are now neutral on the COMEX casino in New York.

    Biofuel rules 'could make millions homeless'"

    Comment - When will the INSANITY stop? How far will the Global Warming Alarmists keep pushing our world headlong into MASS STARVATION? And all on a phony premise!

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    • QWAK,This is a BIG DEAL and masses of HUNGRY people tend to get HOSTILE very fast!

      http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/38cd4d58-0b15-11dd-8ccf-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

      the DUCK

    • Know Nothing Cons like to monopolize the space on this board.

      alpha<<<

      As one shrewd political scientist observed: conservatives can't govern well because they think government itself is bad.

    • Isn't the US Federal government still paying farmers NOT to plant?
      Isn't most of the increase in corn production for ethanol genetically modified plants that cannot be consumed by humans?
      If it's the diversion of corn production to ethanol that is causing the increase in food cost, why are wheat and rice at near record high cost?

      The problem is more likely that the record high cost of fossil fuels used in production and transportation of all food are causing the high cost of the food itself.

    • QWAK,Some FUTURE dinner music and some COOKING tips for many people.

      http://www.bobrivers.com/player/body1.asp?ID=830&speed=3&atype=tunes

      PS: Should be about the same for RATS I supose.;)

      I shure HOPE they taist better than that RATTLE snake I tried to EAT! :) HE HE HE

      the DUCK

    • Egggs.. the most alarmist part of the post was your comment:

      Comment - When will the INSANITY stop? How far will the Global Warming Alarmists keep pushing our world headlong into MASS STARVATION? And all on a phony premise!

      More than likely you have not read a single learned article on the subject and of course you have not seen an Inconvenient Truth.

      There are indeed alarming changes in the CO2 levels. While the scientific reason(s) can indeed be debated, the ramifications of ignoring this fact is pure ignorance.

      And to the extent that 'global warming' helps the US and the rest of Earth to develop sustainable energy policies, it may yet become a positive.

      alpha

      • 3 Replies to azalphainvestor
      • And to the extent that 'global warming' helps the US and the rest of Earth to develop sustainable energy policies, it may yet become a positive.

        alpha<<<<<

        Yep.

        I will always remain an optimist. The world is the most peaceful (percentage of the world's population dying from war), prosperous, most literate, healthiest (longest life expectancy), etc, etc in recorded history.

        Sure, there will be hiccups along the way, but the healthy way to look at problems are just that they are opportunities to make improvements.

        Will the world end some day as far as humans go? Sure, remember dinosaurs once rulled the earth, and their time passed, only to be replaced by something better.

      • Oh my, more revisionist nonsense from Alpha. Now we should go to the movies - and watch Al Gore preach? You mean the guy who buys a mongo home and later, after accused of being a hypocrite, he solarizes it? lol!

        And those learned articles - yeah, a reference to the ones Alpha agrees with. He dismisses those that don't fit.

        As for gains in CO2, and pollution, yep they are there. Looks like Alpha is softening here. Yet he wants to engineer changes without understanding how we got here. That too is rather stupid. But we do have salvation coming...

        China is closing down its industrial base for the Olympics. Ooops, maybe I just let the dirty little secret out. The Western World exported low cost manufacturing techniques to China - for a profit and an environmental price to be paid later. That's not necessarily 'global warming', but definitely something to chew on.

      • "And to the extent that 'global warming' helps the US and the rest of Earth to develop sustainable energy policies, it may yet become a positive."

        Oh, you mean Algore's policy's, Alpha? That the government will subsidize farmers for growing corn for ethanol production (at a loss), cause world wide starvation, and inflation.

        And all due to the belif that Global Warming is caused by humans .... even though the world has been cooling for the past 10 years?

        http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/04/brrrr-bbc-admits-global-warming-dipped.html

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    • QWAK,eggs,IF you boil it down to absolute BASICS the first MONEY was "FOOD" -- it is NOW and always has BEEN what MONEY is ALL ABOUT!

      We have distenced our selves SOooooooo much from the TRUE BASICS that very LITTLE is REAL to US untill IT happens TO US!

      I am very searious when I say people should INVEST at least a LITTLE in actual FOOD!

      I am confident that the BANKERS and THERE GOVERNMENT will use FOOD SHORTAGES (high prices)to fill all the WORK CAMPS that Brown and Routs have built all over the country.

      The HOMLESS and HUNGRY will walk right in because it is or seems there ONLY CHOICE other than RIOTING and VIOLENCE which will just get them KILLED and TASERED!

      BTW: The price of RICE is going UP extreamly FAST I don't like te stuff but it is still very CHEEP and if properly stored can last as much as 15 years! The SURVIVALISTS on TV always seem to find GRUBS to EAT but I never could,them LEGS -- just can't swallow somthing with LEGS still WALKING --- even COOKED! LOL When I get hungry enough I expect to learn to INJOY eating RICE! ;)

      the DUCK

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      • "I am very searious when I say people should INVEST at least a LITTLE in actual FOOD!"

        "Beacon of Light"/Duck, I think you hit the nail on the head .... again! What good is having all the money in the world but NOT FOOD, especially for an emergency!

        The canary in the mine are the 'food riots' starting to errupt all over the world. This should be a wake up call for all of us.

        Something Wicked This Way Continues .....

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    • The global population will grow from 6.5bn to 9.5bn before peaking near mid-century.<<<<

      And, that is the main problem.

      Look at most, if not all, of the poor countries, birth rates are too high. I'm not saying they deserve to die, but first step is proper birth planning.

      Sorry, that you want hard working farmers not to do well.

      You have your prorities all screwed up.

      • 1 Reply to alimena2us
      • "Sorry, that you want hard working farmers not to do well. You have your prorities all screwed up."

        I don't think so! Starvation and death is one hell of a price to pay for adding ethanol into our gasoline, especially when we have so much oil within the U.S. that isn't permitted to be drilled for by the environmentalists.

        This moral delemma will have to be addressed by our leaders soon. Riots worldwide are starting up and politicians will be forced to take a stand regarding this crisis.

 
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