Stirring up trouble again, I see (heh
It's refreshing to finally see a new opinion on the KO
Be careful; it's not safe here at the KO board (if
you are ever in trouble, just go back to the PEP
board - that's what I do).
policies and practices on dealing with staff
discrimination claims. ogden 391 says that he/she feels KO is a
victim...in my opinion, KO HR is it's own victim by not
making sure their Management staff is properly trained
in the field to effectively document an employees
performance (regardless of race) to ensure they have all of
their ducks in a row when individual personnel
decisions arise; i.e. promotions, pay increases, or
disciplinary action up to and including discharge.
is all fine and good to have written policies that
state a company has a zero tolerance level when it
comes to discrimination (or whatever), however, the
Management staff puts the company at risk if they ignore
their basic responsibility to document an employees
overall work performance to remove any claim by an
employee that they were a victim of
Example; Sally works as an Accounting Clerk at a
distribution center. She is Black, over 40, and has been with
the company for 8 years. Sally finds out that Jane
(White, 32, 3 years on the job) has been selected for a
position as the Accounting Supervisor which they both
applied for. Sally freaks, and in her mind she was a
victim of discrmination and files a claim with
HR calls the Manager and asks for both Sally and
Jane's personnel files. After reviewing the files, it
comes to light that Sally has been late to work an
average of 2 times a week and calls in sick on an average
of 3 times a month. Her annual performance reviews
simply noted these facts, and Sally continued to receive
her full annual salary increases year after year by
the Manager. Sally always makes a notation on the
review how much she appreciates the increase in pay and
how much she enjoys working for the Company.
Jane on the other hand was never late to work, called
in sick a couple of times a year, took advantage of
the companies Tuition Reimbursement Program and
attended Accounting classes at night for the past 3 years
to finish her BA Degree in Accounting. Her annual
performance reviews have always been glowing with positive
statements made regarding her efforts to complete her
So, you say this is a no brainer why Jane
was selected for the top Accounting position over
Sally...yes, you are correct, Jane was the hands down winner.
But that is not the whole story...
Manager never penalized Sally for her attendance, never
documented how explosive and argumentative she was everytime
she made an error in her accounting duties, or her
uncooperative attitude toward the employees that had to turn in
their daily delivery paperwork to her. He just did not
want to deal with her, and when someone did complain
about Sally, his standard reply was "you KNOW how she
Well, of course Sally would assume it was a simple case
of discrimination when she filed the claim. She has
been coming to work for 8 years, her Manager never
formally disciplined her for anything that was documented
in her personnel file, and she clearly had seniority
over Jane! What else could it be????
Management practices maybe!!!! Even though Jane clearly was
the right candidate for the promotion, the Manager
gave Sally solid ground to file the discrimination
charges. In her mind, she was a long term loyal employee
without any adverse documentation in her personnel file.
She was Black and a female over 40.
could it be??????
Conclusion: Sally retired
early with a ton of KO's $$$$$.
"Lord knows that I am not for discrimination by
race but I feel minorities have taken advantage of
this. In my opinion, KO is a victim." I agree entirely
that KO is a victim here; absolutely no argument to
that. However, just because a few black people sue KO
(I think the Cochrane lawsuit is only by 4 black
women), it doesn't mean that everyone who is black sues
frivosously. Just as many white people and all other people
sue wrongfully, such as claiming false damages in a
car crash (jacking up everyone's insurance rates).
Just because a few black people are suing, it doesn't
mean that all African Americans should be "sent back
to Africa," or that all blacks are just lazy people
leeching off of society. Lazy people come in all shapes,
sizes, and colors.
"I wish you didn't because I
can't stand Rap. But, the First Amendment allows me to
listen to John Denver and perhaps you can't stand him."
I listen to rap, but I also listen to many other
types of music. I have several friends who like to
listen to rap, as well as musicals and classical music.
Once again, just because some rap is violent, it
doesn't mean that all rap is bad, just another
stereotype; the vast majority of rap is not at all
As for OJ, he was most likely guilty - but, it's not
for us to decide. Our legal system is much superior
to other countries' systems, even though there are
always several cases every year of people being wrongly
convicted or wrongly unconvicted. As for the death penalty,
maybe it should be used when people are proven to be
100% guilty, whether they admit guilt or through DNA
testing. However, even on the news today, it showed how
another person will be killed in Texas based on the
testimony of one single witness, who could very likely be
incorrect. It also showed someone who remained in prison for
11 years until he was finally proven innocent,
simply because of the insistence by the rape victim that
that man was guilty. Death cannot be corrected; I, for
one, would not want to live in a country who took
innocent victim's lives, because then we are no better
than any other country in the world.
disagree with you on some of your beliefs, but I still
wish you a great vacation. Have a great time!
Americans too. We agree that some blacks and some
whites are racists. I would like to add that every race
probably has some racists.
We do not agree about
amending laws. Laws should serve the needs of society and
when they fail to do that, they ought to be done away
with or amended.
Lord knows that I am not for
discrimination by race but I feel minorities have taken
advantage of this. In my opinion, KO is a
Have you ever watched John Stossel on ABC? He has a
series of very good programs that are available on tape.
As your school if they have the program "The Blame
John Stossel does a much better job of explaining my
position than I ever could. I guess that is why he works
for ABC and I'm on a teacher.
fail because they are defective. I don't deny that
discrimination plays a part but it is in the interest of
business to promote the best people. Those that
discriminate actually hurt their chances of success.
As for outlawing Rap Music, you have First Amendment
protections on that one. I wish you didn't because I can't
stand Rap. But, the First Amendment allows me to listen
to John Denver and perhaps you can't stand him.
I feel we should amend the "right" to abortion.
What crime has the fetus done to deserve to be
The death penalty is another issue we disagree on.
The world is better off without some people. That
said, I understand mistakes are made and that is a
reason to only use capital punishment when there is no
As for the trial system, it was set up to
find the truth. The O.J. Simpson trial was a perfect
demonstration that the process has nothing to do with the
truth. It is a game and the winner is the one who wins.
What a system. Why don't they just play BlackJack and
decide who is guilty?
I'm gone for a week unless
I visit a public library. Enjoy the last week(s) of
the school year.
The details about when the African Americans
moved here were not the point I was trying to make. I
was just making the point that guru said, "GO BACK
HOME," even though the African Americans' homes are in
America. Blacks are just as much American as whites,
except those blacks and whites who are racist; they are
not true Americans.
As for your comment: "I
think we need to amend our laws," there's no way that
we can pick and choose which laws to amend and which
not to. Why should we amend the right to abortions
and not the right to have the death penalty? Why
should we amend the right to listen to rap music and not
the right to guns? I have a good example of this from
my French class today; my teacher asked the class
what she should change for next year by making us
write what we liked the most and disliked the most.
Well, it turns out that everything had an equal number
of supporters and dislikers; 5 supported reading
stories, 6 disliked them; 2 liked the African studies
section, 2 disliked it; 8 liked grammar the most, 6
disliked grammar the most. Case in point: there are just
as many Americans, if not more, who still believe in
the right to a trial under any circumstances, and
banning such trials would violate one of the most
fundamental American laws, even if the trial system is being
examples of discrimination, he can always find
it. At the same time, if someone is looking for
examples of opportunity and success, he can find that
too.There is no way a company can totally protect itself
from these discrimination suits. These people are
going to find what they are looking for and what really
is happening is not the issue.
As long as
plaintiffs see they can make money and lawyers are feeding
at the trough, these actions will continue. KO will
have these problems until the lawyers think they have
gotten as much as they can. Then they will move on to
In my opinion, this has little to
do with right or wrong, the bottom line is our laws
allow legal blackmail.
KO just got slammed and
will take more hits before it ends. I think we need to
amend our laws.
Sorry, I didn't know you taught at a college; I
thought you were a high school teacher (my
Anyway, I hope you have an awesome vacation in New
Jersey; it should be a "new experience." Actually, I've
heard people who have gone to Atlantic City for
vacation, even though I have never been there. That's a
good enough vacation place.
What do you think
of the new lawsuit? The same arguments have been
going ever since I came to the KO board 6 months ago.
Will they ever stop?