Numerous recounts are not required, nor
advisable. I personally think this should have been resolved
by now, or at least when the overseas votes are
counted. What is the holdup there? Do they come in on a
The rules were in place prior to the election,
everyone in authority knew, or should have known about
"chads" and anyone too stupid to read a ballot thoroughly
before punching should have thier vote declared invalid.
That should be self-evident, and anyone wanting to be
fair and impartial, whether Democrat or Republican
would have to agree.
Too many people are butting
in that have no business doing so. You refer to the
Republican Secretary of State. How about the Democratic
I say count the votes on Friday
from the overseaa ballots and let the chips fall where
they may, be it Democrat or Republican, but let's get
this over with - it is beginning to hurt this country
and the longer it goes on, the more the division -
not to mention our image around the world. We send
Jimmy Carter off to monitor votes in other countries.
Hell, let's set our priorities correctly, call him back
and let him monitor this fiasco.
We are not dealing with computer punch cards
punched by a keypunch machine.
We are dealing with
ballot punch cards punched by a human with a
punch. Variation in pressure and result is much wider.
Massuchusetts banned punch card ballots in 1996 after finding
counting to be unreliable. Based on the findings in a
election there, the Mass. Secretary of
State estimates that Florida may
have tens of
thousands of partially punched ballots. We'll have a
idea of the true number when the first manual recounts
come in there.
(You ask why would the winning candidate request
a recount. The answer is
simple. Punching cards
doesn't always leave a clean hole.)
talking to an old mainframe computer dude I have never
seen a chat stick.
When you stack a deck of IBM
cards they are rippled like you would a deck of
After they have been through the sorter it would be in
my opinion impossible to have a
Let me fill you in there are 80 columns on a card,
the card is fed through a card reader that
columns of steel wire brushes ,
As the card passes the
read station the places that have holes punched allows
brush to make contact with the conductor
drum which allows a current to pass indication
Now the card is 7 thousands of an inch thick
and the picker knife is set to allow a card
pass that is between 6 and 7 thousands thick.
two cards stick together there will be a jam in the
reader like if the chad is stuck and
hanging down and
my some miracle does not get torn off the card will
jam and stop the
If the reader is set
to allow the card and the chad pass it will also
allow 2 cards to pass or
jam which usually tears up
a dozen cards.
the cards are so sensitive that
the edges must be sealed to prevent moisture from
them to swell and jam the reader.
Show me the chad
that is hanging down, after the card has been through
You ask why would the winning candidate request a
recount. The answer is
simple. Punching cards doesn't
always leave a clean hole. Machines fail
many legitimate votes. Manual recounts will increase
for both candidates. A candidate in
danger of seeing his lead evaporate by
recount in counties where his opponent runs strong should
a manual recount in counties where he
himself runs strong.
Florida law requires requests
for manual recounts to be made within 72
the Tuesday deadline set by the Republican Secretary
That deadline passed on Saturday. Yes,
it's a technicality. Both sides are
any advantage they can get, including technicalities.
their right. We are, after all, a nation of laws (that
You sound like a
Republican. I wouldn't worry. If the Republicans fail
suppress the manual recounts in the Democratic counties, I
that they will get the Republican
Secretary of State or the courts to allow
request manual recounts in Republican counties, even
deadline might have passed. If it allows
us to get a more accurate count of
vote, it's for the best.
Hey this is just a technicality you democrats
going to deprive the folks in the pan handle
their right to have their vote counted on a mere
Why would a winning candidate
request a recount by hand or machine.
That is like a
football team that scored a touchdown to ask for a replay
to see if it
was indeed a score or maybe it
should not count.
I think any Democratic state
official taking part in the hand count should be required
take a polygraph test.
The systematic way the
numbers just keep increasing for Gore each time they
handle the ballots.
Yes, there is a time limit to request a manual
recount. As I understand it, it's 72 hours after the
election. The Republicans, trying to discourage any
recounts, apparently missed the deadline for requesting
their own recounts in Republican counties. But, did
they? Veteran's Day, November 11, was celebrated in
Florida on Friday. Does that state holiday, which fell
during the 72 hour period, count as part of the 72 hours
or not? If not, the Republicans still have today to
request their recounts. Maybe the courts will have to
decide this calendar question. It's clear that the two
parties are not going to agree on anything. Fascinating!
Apparently there are time limits for requesting
re-counts, time limits for FL counties to complete their
counts/re-counts, etc., etc. I can't pretend to foresee all the
permutations and commutations.
Believe the Dems are
asking for a re-count now in a fifth heavily Dem county,
so the time limit for candidate-requested re-counts
must not be past.
Also notice both Dems and
Repubs are canvassing for a few million dollars to pay
for their parts of this.