Very well put propanesmart.....you obviously were around FG long enough to see things go from good to bad to awful in just a short period of time. I was once told by a Project Renassiance administrator "just shut up and go haul gas". Before Project Renaissance, most days drivers would deliver 4,000 to 5,000 gallons per day and drive 50 to 75 miles. After Project Renaissance, our gallons dropped to 3,000 per day and miles increased to 125 to 150 miles per day, sometimes more. We would go past numerous customers and not stop by because the mobile device did not have that customer in for a delivery only to go right back there the next day and make a delivery of 300 gallons or more. Whenever a driver would question why are things being done this way, they would be threatened with their job....many are now gone. Those who remain still work under the threat of "shut up or be terminated". Plainspoken is a former area manager, now a VP, who watches this board to be certain his creation, Project Renassiance, doesn't take too many hits. He forgets, however, that VPs have short lives with FG and he should stop worrying about this message board and he should start listening to people who are being honest with him about Project Renassiance. Terminating employees and closing offices and starting up Econogas won't fix the problems. Good people fix problems.....but now it may be too late for FG.