flashy, I know a little about the "cup and handle" formation of IBD school that you speak of. I sure would appreciate it if you would tell me where you see this. Is it in the daily, weekly, or monthly, or some other period chart? When was the top of the rim initially indicated? When did it bottom and when did it come back to the rim to go back down to form the handle and then up from there to give your buy signal? You might have given all the answers to these questions in the above post. If you could explain in complete sentences, I might be able to understand. Thanks.