Anyone else out there having bad experiences with their Tundra? I have a 2000 SR5, and it's been a constant headache. I've been in the shop more times in two years than I was in 10 years with my 1986 Ford F150. The car is only 30 months old. At 37000 miles my battery shorted out and I had to get towed. At 37500 miles I'm told I have a crack in my exhaust manifold and it will cost me $900 to fix it. Toyota customer service says too bad, it's out of warranty.
Bad brakes, bad paint, door rattles, a dip stick that's the wrong size so for the first year I had one quart too much in the engine, door panels that fade and wear, seat belts that won't retract...it just seems to go on and on. This has been the worst truck I've ever owned. I paid extra for a Toyota because of the quality reputation, but that's evidently a bunch of bunk. How much does Consumer Reports magazine get paid off to publish their lies, claiming that the Tundra is better quality?
The really bad part is, I don't think Ford, Chevy or Dodge are really any better. Everything being made is junk, and the manufacturers don't feel like they need to stand behind their promises. Toyota is living off their reputation, but it won't be long until people wise up. Is it because they're being assembled in the USA now that they're turning into junk?
Signed: Never gonna buy a Toyota again
I couldn't agree more with your assessments!
The real world is the best place to test any vehicle.
The trick is avoiding crashes in the first place...Duh :-)
But having said that, if I couldn't avoid one, I would still feel safer in my Tundra.
The NHTSA crash test is a not an offset crash. It's designed to test passenger safety. The fact that the trucks crumple up is irrelevent if the passengers are not seriously injured as indicated by the star ratings.
The crumpling of the truck is what absorbs the energy to protect the occupants. If nothing absorbs the impact, then the passengers are injured. The Toyota being a more rigid structure demonstrates this with it's lower star rating with NHTSA tests and higher rating with IIHS offset test. The Ford is higher rated on side impacts though. It does a better job of occupant protection.
But since every crash is different it would be interesting to see injury statistics from actual crashes.
Thanks for the response and no I'm keeping my opinion for now. But having said that, I try to keep an open mind. I suppose that anyone can manipulate data to their own end.
But seeing is believing!
The reason I'm having difficulty with the star ratings is because all of the trucks, i.e., Chrysler (before the new ram model), General Motors and Ford crunched up like a ball of tin foil upon impact (40 mph, off-set impact). All of there designs pretty old by comparison.
The off-set test may be a more difficult test to overcome. As you mentioned, the barrier crash speed was 35 mph. Was it off-set too?
I do have to agree that most head on collisions are of the offset variety. I was involved in one 30 some years ago. I had this '64 Oldsmobile and I hit this '73 Duster (she turned in front of me on a yellow light...). It too was off-set.
P.S.(no one was hurt, but I drove my car home and she had her's towed. Might makes right!)
These are the findings of the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration. They crash the vehicle into a fixed barrier at 35 mph. The Ford trucks did the best job of occupant protection as documented here with the NHTSA star ratings.
You originally said check any NHSA site to see how Ford trucks are unsafe in a collision.
Are you changing your mind about the NHSA? Why would you have a tough time believing that the old Ford was safer than a new Toyota?
Question...Did the site that rated the F-150 better provide pictures of the collisions?
I saw "star" ratings only on that site!
I have a tough time believing the older Ford could do better than the newer Tundra. Again the pictures are pretty dramatic!
Don't know how the super duty would do! But as you mentioned, it's a different truck!
So I guess one could assume that with an offset crash with a similar sized vehicle, the Tundra is better according to IIHS. In a head on crash, the F150 is better according to NHTSA.
I wonder how the F Super Duty compares to the Tundra in the offset test. The Super Duty is a different truck.