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  • davefarish47 davefarish47 Mar 17, 2011 10:24 AM Flag

    support your own countrys dummys

    i hope you loose it all looks good on you dommys

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    • The union has been working with the auto manufacturers and taking concessions for many years.

      We gave up some healthcare and benefits when I was still employeed there.

      This has been occurring for years.

    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Mar 21, 2011 4:32 PM Flag

      'to keep non union workers from organizing. '

      It costs money to have unionized labor in a company. There is a reason why there is no IT union. Will and can never happen because of competition.

      When the union has so much power in the company as to any actions the union can do can make a break a company, it's time to look hard at not having a union.

      Let's fact it, UAW has given so many good unions out there a bad name. People hate unions because they associate them with the UAW, which unfortunately is not true. Some unions actually work well with their host. UAW had to as of recent to work well with the auto industry due to what has happened recently.

      As I said, Ford and GM don't need the UAW, but the UAW needs them.

    • Market determination is the equilibrium constantset by the unionized autoplant wage. The foreign transplants pay roughly the same wages (spillover) to keep non union workers from organizing. They keep a reserve(temps)on hand to handle OT and work shortages. Back in 2007, an attempt was made to organize the Toyota plant in Kentucy because the workforce was unhappy with the hiring practice and treatment of temp labor. Something about tier wages and unfair labor practices.

    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Mar 21, 2011 4:01 PM Flag

      And don't ever forget, the UAW needs Ford and GM in order to survive.
      Neither of these companies need the UAW.

    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Mar 21, 2011 3:42 PM Flag

      'The foreign transplants, however target the lower class caliber worker that has no other work option.'

      That's just UAW mentality. If you are not in the UAW and work in the auto industry, then you are considered a lower class caliber worker. This sir, is called market wage determination, something that the UAW has no idea of. I'm sorry, but there are some auto jobs that require no more skill than a junior high education, yet got paid $50K. Sorry, that's not just realistic for the host company. Some jobs earn that much money, some don't. Thousands of middle class lost their jobs because they got paid more than what they were worth. Happens a lot in almost every nation, yet, the UAW is the only one crying foul.

      'see a day when all transplants are unionized in this country. It will happen... '

      Never happen. How many times have Toyota and Honda voted down the pressure of the UAW. They saw what happens when you invite them in. Let's see, I need to pay union dues for what? No benefit whatsoever.

      And now that Ford is looking to finally open their first plant in the southern states, guess what, that's step 1 to a non-union workforce at Ford.

      93% of the US Workforce is non-union. We are doing just fine.

    • Because of the new standard created by transplants like Toyota in this country. Japanese autoworkers enjoy union wages and benefits just like American workers do. The foreign transplants, however target the lower class caliber worker that has no other work option. Great for the transplants, not so great for the American car companies. The American middle class is the big loser in this when thousands of jobs are terminated. Transplants only create more jobs overseas, Toyota is big on off shore modular assemblies. Saves them from paying American labor and taxes.

      I see a day when all transplants are unionized in this country. It will happen...

    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Mar 21, 2011 3:14 PM Flag

      Go back and read your last reply to me and maybe it will sink in.

      'I was paid 22.50 an hour for my hard work'
      How hard your work is not indicative to how much you get paid. Plenty of people that I am sure work(ed) much harder than you that get paid much less.

      'Do you work for less than this?'
      Absolutely not, but I worked harder than most people. I also paid for 2 degrees out of my own pocket so I would not have to make less than $50K per year.

      'The issue they had was legacy cost paid to retired workers, something that was bargained for'

      Son, there is a reason why the new auto workers will never make what the senior workers made. Please tell me why that is?

    • You said "So you are saying the UAW never went on strike? Yea, because you were not involved in one does not mean they never went on strike. nice try though."

      WHAT? You did say this correct? Are you back peddling again? I was paid 22.50 an hour for my hard work, well below what the bias media reports on the news. Do you work for less than this? I bet not. 50k per year is not above the industry standard. The issue they had was legacy cost paid to retired workers, something that was bargained for. You are very ignorant.

    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Mar 21, 2011 2:19 PM Flag

      'I never said a strike never occurred. I said while I was a member, a strike ever occured. '

      Please read my reply again and you will see how stupid you look. You are accusing me of putting words in your mouth when you are the one doing it. Good Lord, simmer down and take your time to read the posts.

      Say what you want, there is a reason why the UAW had to make deep concessions. Please explain to me why they had to make all these changes if they were not overpaid or hurting their host company.

      You don't take a massive pay cut in an entire industry unless you are getting paid above market wage. That is simple economics.

    • Cobra writes, "Not all, but some. UAW in general, strike for more money as soon as they see fit."

      People like yourself continue, and will continue to spread false information that is inflated, or outright unfounded in order to justify what you perceive to be reality.

      I never once heard the union even discuss a strike, not alone did it occur "as soon as they saw fit."

      I never said a strike never occurred. I said while I was a member, a strike ever occured. You like to put words in my mouth. I guess that is how you justify what it is you believe.

      You wear the rose colored glasses well my friend.

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