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  • rogermoore1978 rogermoore1978 Aug 9, 2004 6:00 PM Flag

    Dirty Chinese soccer fans.

    These people have no sportsmanship. They rioted, shorted anti-Japanese slogans after their national team lost to Japan at the final of Asian Cup. The Chinese coach was the instigator of the violence.

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    • Unfortunately, it does have alot to do with investments. It showed disgruntles of many highly educated engineers and show that they are extremely unhappy with Taiwan government.

      About ten years ago, a few highly educated friends with high credential from industry (and IEEE fellows) complained that they tried to go back to Taiwan to contribute, but they got inferior offers comparing to much more inferior appliacants with the "right" background. I tried to convince them that it is only temporary and Taiwan needs time to grow and we do need more "natives" at that time. But the phenomenon is getting worse.

      Since then, some went back to China and some stayed. They all did well especially those went back to China. Understanding the situation helped me lighten up investments in Taiwan and caught up with the booming market in China. If this trend continues, I will continue lighting up investments in Taiwan to avoid losing money there! High tech industry depends heavily on engineering talents. Without them, the industry will suffer!

    • Mr. Ashuar, what'e that got to do with anything. You need to take your medicine.

    • But nothing is uglier or more sickening than to witness those extremely ugly pigs shovel, hit, tangle, spit, slander, and lie to each other at the Taiwan Congress.

      (Gosh, have you ever seen any other people in the world uglier than those pigs?)

      At least those fans in Beijing are young and reckless.

      But those short, fat, small-eyed, monkey-faced ugly pigs look like they're devils just unearthed from the hell and rushed to Taiwan.

    • LOL, you are proud of rather than ashamed of China practicing nationalism. You don�t even know the real meaning of nationalism. Nationalism means chauvinism or the doctrine or policy of asserting for interests of a particular nation over the interests of other nations. Nationalism often evolves into racism, ethnic cleansing or even genocide.

      Nationalism gave Chinese rulers excuses slaughtering 100,000 Uygurs in 1876 and 1,600 more in 1990, 50,000 Tibetans in 1950-1951, and 20,000 Taiwanese in 1947. National unity gave commies excuses slaughtering 3,000 Chinese students in 1989. Mao Tze Dong slaughtered 11 million Chinese civilians, not much lower than Hitler. Chinese thugs always say �This is the internal affair, none of your business.� If people don�t want to join your ruthless regime, you threaten them with your tanks and missiles. If your fellow countrymen do not agree, you label them as traitors. Therefore, one only hears one voice in China.

      One professor from Beijing University said that �80% of Chinese people are poor quality� in the PBS news magazine �China in the Red.� After the incident of this soccer game fiasco, I totally concur. Hopefully the same thing will not happen to the next Olympic Game.

    • You are not thinking clearly.

      How can China 'loves' Taiwan if it has 500 missiles pointed at Taiwan and constantly belittles and threatens Taiwan with force? The premise that China 'loves' Taiwan is wrong; therefore the conclusion is wrong.

      I don't know who said whoever loves Taiwan is Taiwanese. But I take it to follow the same line of thought as former US President John F. Kennedy's when he proclaimed : I am a Berliner.

      I heard of many foreigners who devoted their whole lives to uplifting the living conditions of the Aborigines. Since they had to travel back and forth between Taiwan and their home countries, the outdated Taiwan immigration laws did not permit them to become citizens. Their true love for Taiwan can put any of you blue jerks to shame.

      You and Wowgoner invariably scratch each other's back. Wowgoner calims himself to be an original inhabitant of Taiwan, or the 'real' Taiwanese. You were probably born in Taiwan, but definitely Chinese KMT/PFP/NP. At your opportune convenience, you often call yourself as someone 'from Taiwan'. You'd never call yourself Taiwanese because Taiwanese are 'fake Chinese'. You said it yourself---not that I aspire to be a fake Chinese.

      There is another thing that irks me about Wowgoner, the commie, is that he shamelessly appoints himself as the spokesman for the aborigines.

    • Indeed wowgoner is a genius. He is so sarcastic about your comment "whoever loves Taiwan is Taiwanese" that he wrote that sentence to show that all can claim that their love for Taiwan including commies. The claim is totally meaningless including "Fujian mainlanders' claim". Now you have repeated that sentence for him so many times. Isn't he genius? What else he would be?

    • <<<<What is wrong with nationalism against Japanese? We original inhabitants of Taiwan would happily join China for this act. Remember that Japanese is part of genociding (with fake Taiwanse as accomplices) behavior against us. Israel can fight against Arabs for their survivals, why not us?>>>>

      The genius is kind enough to share his profound wisdom with us again.

      Remember he was the one who said: China loves Taiwan so much that it wants Taiwan to embrace communism in much the same way as the Christians want the heathens to accept Christianity.

      When the future governor of Taiwan Fiefdom speaks, we'd better take notice.

    • Idiot! The main theme of the article was not about a few misbehaved hoodlums like some American punks. It was about the danger of a strain of rising anti-Japanese nationalism among many younger Chinese that seems increasingly volatile. These folks shouted �May a big sword chop off the Japanese heads!" Have we ever yelled to behead your soccer players here?

      Peter H. Gries, author of "China's New Nationalism: Pride, Politics and Diplomacy,'' said China's Communist government had often manipulated and encouraged nationalism to underscore its legitimacy.

      Adolph Hitler, Slobodan Milosevic played nationalism. You knew the outcome of these two butchers.

      BTW, Chinaman, I fought against Vietcong while you were still sucking your thumb in China. You have a lot to learn our culture but first you must strengthen your reading comprehension skill, Mr. Woo.

    • You idiot! American sports fans are EVEN WORSE!

      They burned the cars, burned houses, raped women, ... they do anything no matter they won or lost.

      Ronald Reagon, when he was the California State Governer, said once that is the "American Way" to celebrate.

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      • You smart aleck! It is not just a few teenager hoodlums that burned tires in the street. It is a strain of rising anti-Japanese nationalism among many younger Chinese that seems increasingly volatile. Chinese commies play the card of nationalism in many issues. The nationalism has let these young Chinese believe that being patriotic can do anything they want. I have never seen that fans of a sport team shouted killed the players from the other country. See the following article from New York Times:

        In Soccer Loss, a Glimpse of China's Rising Ire at Japan
        By JIM YARDLEY

        Published: August 9, 2004

        EIJING, Aug. 8 - The cheers thundered out of the grandstands of Workers Stadium on Saturday night, as the throng of fans with red-painted faces waved red Chinese flags and banged drums in one of the biggest games ever played in this soccer-addled nation.
        "Go! Go! Go!" they bellowed. "China's team! China's team! China's team!"
        At different moments in the game, other chants arose from pockets of the crowd, directed at the small section of spectators dressed in blue for the opposing team, Japan.
        "Kill! Kill! Kill!" the Chinese fans yelled. Or, echoing a patriotic song from another era, they shouted, roughly: "May a big sword chop off the Japanese heads!"
        An international soccer match is never a place for the faint of heart. But the insults aimed at the Japanese team during the Asian Cup soccer tournament, held in China this year, are being called the latest example of a strain of rising anti-Japanese nationalism among many younger Chinese that seems increasingly volatile.
        The Saturday night Asian Cup final did little to soothe that animosity. Japan won 3-1, though television replays suggested a that Japanese player illegally hand-touched the ball on his team's controversial second goal. After the game, police officers scuffled with Chinese fans after they pelted the Japanese team's bus with bottles.
        But an overwhelming majority of fans left the stadium dazed and silent, some even weeping.
        "I'm so upset we lost to Japan," said one young man with a Chinese flag draped over his head. "That's the thing I most didn't want to see happen."
        The controversy began earlier in the tournament when Japan played preliminary games in Chongqing, China's wartime capital. Chinese fans booed the Japanese team throughout the games and remained seated during the Japanese national anthem. Japanese news media reported that hostile Chinese fans surrounded the Japanese team's bus after one game.
        Later, when the Japanese team played its semifinal game, in the city of Jinan, Chinese reporters were accused of turning a pregame news conference with the Japanese coach into a political grilling. Leading Japanese newspapers wrote critical editorials, while senior Japanese officials, including Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, called on Chinese fans to improve their behavior.
        For many older Chinese, Japan's brutal wartime occupation of parts of China during the 1930's and 1940's, as well as its subsequent unwillingness to apologize unreservedly, has left a bitter resentment. Chongqing, where the Japanese team was booed, was subjected to horrific Japanese bombing during the war.
        But increasingly, the most strident criticism of Japan now comes from a generation born long after the end of the war, which in China is known as the War of Resistance against Japan.
        Peter H. Gries, author of "China's New Nationalism: Pride, Politics and Diplomacy,'' said China's Communist government had often manipulated and encouraged nationalism to underscore its legitimacy. But Mr. Gries said the emerging anti-Japanese feeling of younger Chinese was a popular expression that could impede the government as it tried to improve economic and political ties with Japan.
        "These are people not acting on the orders of some Communist Party puppeteer," said Mr. Giles an assistant political science professor at the University of Colorad

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