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  • sql1433 sql1433 Oct 5, 2005 7:13 PM Flag

    Immr should seek --

    Lawsuit on every item that vibrates - vibrators, electric shavers, sanding machine tools, Hammer Tools.

    What these items have in common is the use of kinetics - IMMR does not have a chance based on they call force feed back. How can anyone seek royalty for such a common ergo fit to our hands that shakes, vibrates, in your hand? A game controller is common shape like the wheel, different but � commonly used. Is Atari suing all the companies for hand held controller? Anyone know of a company suing for using the round curves of the wheel? None, there is no grounds of any case of one because it�s a commonly used object.

    IMMR you might as well sue all the companies that make hand held items that fit in our hands and plus the ones that vibrates with D Cell batteries. You might as well patent the use of a toliet - cuz you need it.

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    • <<�guitar groups are on their way out Mr. Epstein.�>>

      Probably should have mentioned that Mr. Epstein was Brian Epstein, The Beatles manager at that time.

    • <<You're right - I really DON'T care about the PS2 so no worries here. Sony has way too many other products to sell to let one make them lose much...video gaming is on it's way out anyway.>>

      LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The music fans out there will remember this. In early 1963 Decca Records turned down The Beatles. Their reason, and I quote �guitar groups are on their way out Mr.Epstein.�

    • <<You guys need to visit more here. I think we can help Sony out if they listen to us. I think they have lost touch with their customers and are way too internally focused with their ideas and opinions on how to go to market.>>

      The circumstances are a little unfortunate but it is nice to have more time to post. For the past 6 months or so I mostly have just had time to scan the MB, check PACER, and make occasional quick posts.

      I would like to think that the Sony batties are listening, but I think your post about the Entertainment side driving the ship means it will all fall on deaf ears.

      I will keep trying while I have the time though, and, I will try to get out to a Best Buy, etc this weekend for a little �research.�

    • [When it comes to plasma t.v Phillips blows LG out of the water and i would say better than Samsung.]

      The Samsung had some features that the Philips did not have. The Philips main differentiator was the Amberlight. I thought it looked kind of hokey and made me stay away from it. I actually have always liked the Pioneer but their floor model (used) was still priced $1000 more than a Brand new Samsung.

      Regarding the Speakers. I almost got the Energy (spelling?). I listened to both in the store and I could not tell the difference. Since you are mentioning this to me though I might go back and replace them for the brand new Energy's. The Energy's were only slightly higher in price. Is there a model number or name of yours so I make sure we are talking the same thing. As a FYI, the Energy Speakers were the ones they thought were the best but I opted for JBL due to color, lol.

      Since I have a Samsung DLP already in my Rec Room I decided that when I replaced out main TV in family room it would be plasma above the Fireplace. They have not delivered the TV yet so I will go out and do some research between Phillips and Samsung. Maybe I will change my mind on that as well, but only if I see overwhelming, consistent rating advantages for the Phillips.

      You guys need to visit more here. I think we can help Sony out if they listen to us. I think they have lost touch with their customers and are way too internally focused with their ideas and opinions on how to go to market.

    • Excellent Post Buck, Sony has lost it's touch on consumer eletronics. The only thing I things they have somethng to show are PS2 & CyberShot camera. However, they are graduately and surely losing that too.

    • [You're right - I really DON'T care about the PS2 so no worries here. Sony has way too many other products to sell to let one make them lose much...video gaming is on it's way out anyway.]

      Regarding your comment about other Sony products, I beg to differ with you on that point as well. I am not sure if you live in the USA or another country, but I purchased a Home Entertainment system yesterday. Complete with 50 inch Plasma TV, High end Audio Surround System, high end DVD player for High Def, and a few other odds and ends. In the Best Buy store I went shopping in it is hard to find Sony products being featured anymore. The highest end TV's were from Samsung, LG, and Phillips, and Pioneer. I chose a Samsung 50 inch plasma as I already have a Samsung 50 inch DLP high-def TV that I like, and have had good fortune with other Samsung products. What Sony used to have as a brand name in quality is now being replaced by Samsung in Consumer Electronic products. The Best Buy Entertainment specialist I worked with told me in order of the best 50 inch plasma TV's that they carried it would be Samsung number 1, LG second, Phillips a close 3rd, and Pioneer behind it. Pioneer is simply too expensive and their models are now getting outdated compared to the latest offerings from Samsung and LG. There was one Sony plasma that I did see that had a good picture, but when I asked the guy about it he said it was severely outdated feature wise, and that he did not recommend Sony anymore as far as TV's go. He said he heard they were getting out of the high end TV business FWIW.

      In looking at Audio systems I did see one Sony system but it looked low end and was dwarfed by the offerings of their competitors. After much him-hawing on my part I ended up with some nice JBL Surround sound speakers with large sub woofer, and a High end Yamaha Receiver. The high end DVD player I believe was Hitachi and it was the only one that could do a certain conversion. I saw no Sony DVD players on their shelves. Lots of other odds and ends purchased but none of it was Sony.

      Even worse for Sony was I passed through the Cell Phone section. I see Samsung, LG, Motorola, PALM Treo, RIMM devices, and other brands but no Sony. Then I go over to the Camera section to check some stuff out and I see Canon and Nikon being featured. There were a few lower end Sony's mixed in with the hordes from the competition for the smaller stuff. Then looked at the Camcorder section and what used to feature some high end Sony's now was a grab bag of numerous competitors. There was one $1900 Sony Camcorder that they just got in that the rep told me was selling fairly well, but it did not stand out from the models from the competitors and was pricey. In the PC section there is no Sony presence that I can find. The VAIO is quickly disappearing.

      If that is not bad enough, the Video Game section is over near the high end TV's. The main shelf that gets most of the traffic and can be seen from all the rows showing the TV's features the XBOX in all its glory. The whole shelf is XBOX, XBOX games, and then all the XBOX accessories. Immersion is shown as a licensee on the boxes of most of the accessories in this row. You have to go to the second row to find the PS2 and its accessories stuffed into an area that is 1/2 the area for the XBOX. The individuals I have talked to in the Best Buy store that work there have unanimously spoke badly of Sony in just about every department I have been in. The Sony Brand Name from my observation in the USA is almost dead when it comes to Electronics. This is happening at break neck pace as a year ago many Sony products were being featured and promoted. I would say that Samsung carries 10 times the clout with Brand Name right now in Electronics over Sony. Something has changed inside Sony, and it is horrible regarding the Electronics products and how they are being designed, marketed, and sold right now.

      My opinions and observations.

    • [Lawsuit on every item that vibrates - vibrators, electric shavers, sanding machine tools, Hammer Tools. What these items have in common is the use of kinetics - IMMR does not have a chance based on they call force feed back.]

      Do some research before you make yourself look so STUPID. There has already been a jury trial with extensive details covered by Experts in the field of Haptics on both sides. By a UNANIMOUS ruling of the Jury they found ALL 47 games to infringe at least one of the two patents and over 40 of the 47 games that infringed both patents.

      Have you ever looked at the US Patent site and read through the various Patents and the EXACT patent descriptions and claims? If not, please do so before coming back and posting 3rd grade rhetoric. It is one thing to make an argument based on some sense of knowledge, but to Post what you did shows a COMPLETE LACK of knowledge on the entire lawsuit.

      For your info, Sony introduced the following details to be brought into court showing their 2001 disucssions between Immersion and Sony. Here is a Post from last August that had the details. Please note what Sony was discussing with Immersion back then BEFORE they were even found GUILTY by the Jury:

      http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1600540456&tid=immr&
      sid=1600540456&mid=6968



      If you care to do more research, here is the 333 patent that is in the midst of this lawsuit. No, it has nothing to do with razors, or buzzsaws, or your brain for that matter. It deals with SPECIFIC claims in the Patent. If you want to argue something against the specific claims of the Patent then do so. You might learn something if you take the time to dig deeper into the patents and why Sony has been found GUILTY in court. Right now they have $102 Million dolalrs in Escrow owed to Immersion and have to pay ongoing quarterly Royalties (until Appeal is over) due to being found guilty in US District Court. Replace the xx in the http field with tt.

      hxxp://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6424333'.WKU.&OS=PN/


      Final point is here is a list of companies that are paying Immersion to license their technology and patents. Many larger and more successful companies than Sony on the list such as Miscrosoft, Apple, Siemens, Samsung, and now 3M. Each of these companies know what is a valid patent. They each signed up with Immersion. Sony is the oddbird out, and not coincidentally, has little to nothing regarding patents in this haptic field:

      http://www.immersion.com/corporate/partners/

      My opinions.

    • Yeah, and you should sue all of the other dumbasses on the planet for violating your patent on stupidity.

      Really clever post. We're all really impressed.

      Dolt . . .

 
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