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  • bucks_are_up bucks_are_up Oct 11, 2005 9:14 AM Flag

    Stop the Thorner MALARKEY on the ..

    IMMR Board.

    I think there are some that are intentionally MISLEADING on some of these Thorner hypothetical situations.

    I challenge bits and counslr to come over to the SNE board to discuss Thorner, the USPTO, the fraud case, what he is working on or not working on, the timeline, and numerous other things. Others can feel free to join in as well. I am still 16 days from making my return so please join me here to discuss and dissect this Thorner issue in more detail.

    glengroove's Post today shows how some of the unassuming are being MISLEAD on Thorner. Not sure the misleading is intentional or not, but much of what is being suggested is misleading, and 100% conjecture.

    I would appreciate it if someone could take my message to all who want to discuss Thorner in more detail, and get down to the basic facts come over to the SNE Board.

    By the way, Epervier had possibly the 2 BEST Posts yesterday on the Board regarding Thorner, yet no one commented that I saw. The timeline is extremely important to spend some time on before disussing all of the pure conjecture. On top of that, there was a news story of LG being in negotiations with Immersion, and while that got some mention on the Board, was overrun with lots of negative hypotheses on Thorner which none had FACT to back up. The LG story was somethign real and tangible in a nwes story, yet the conjecture nonsense dwarfed the more tangible.

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    • I feel like a proud poppy.

      Go IMMR.

    • Here's one.....

      Thorner says "The original programs I recently found and now submit have substantially the same code, substantially the same function, substantially the same screen presentation and user interface, and create the same vibrotactile effects, as many of the programs submitted with my July 6, 2005 declaration."

      So did he find the actual original programs, or different programs that he considers "substantially the same"?

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      • [Here's one.....

        Thorner says "The original programs I recently found and now submit have substantially the same code, substantially the same function, substantially the same screen presentation and user interface, and create the same vibrotactile effects, as many of the programs submitted with my July 6, 2005 declaration."

        So did he find the actual original programs, or different programs that he considers "substantially the same"?]

        Seems to me that maybe it means kinda the same, or sorta of the same, or mostly the same, or maybe this might be the best way to define substantial:

        The PS3 no doubt will have differences than the PS2. However if it has Haptics enabled, then the PS3 might be "substantially" the same in the Forced Feedback area, thus Immersion should get full Royalties on every PS3 shipped. The phrase "substantially the same" now being allowed to be introduced in court by Sony should end all arguments on the PS3 Royalties issue. lol.

        This has went from the bizarre with the cryogenics, to the most improbable when considering all his hearsay and non-plausible scenarios, to the changing of his original story in July.

        Seems to me that Immersion must have been pressing in on some specific technical areas they spotted inconsistincies on, and Thorner might now be trying to fumble his way through the web of his previously stated story.

        Two things will be of interest:

        1. Will there be more corrections from Thorner as time goes forward and Immersion starts homing in further?

        2. What will Immersion's response be when they completely dissect the entire Thorner story from beginning to end? That experience might want Thorner to schedule a Rectal exam as opposed to being picked apart bits by bits.

    • [Do you have any advice for Glen?]

      Yes. In order:

      1. Pray and ask God for wisdom. Serious.

      2. Do lots of research on the companies he is looking to invest in. Find undervalued/undiscovered companies and make short lists.

      3. Find companies first, not stocks first.

      4. Watch overall globaleconomic news to make sure investing climate is OK.

      5. Watch for good time's to buy in. Those exact times might differ for various people depending on goals.

      6. Do not listen to bits.

      7. Do your own DD and never follow single people or single organizations when it comes to stock investing.

      8. Pray and trust God some more.

    • [same advice I gave a few days ago.]

      This would have been you best post ever if you told others to not read you stuff. Can you give me the Post #? I would like to frame it. :-)

    • Bucks
      For me The timeline is extremely important .
      I have asked myself these simple questions

      1. Why didn't Thorner file for a patent for his "priory art" in 1995 ?

      2. Why didn't Thorner protest at PTO during process of granting the patent to IMMR,
      between 2000-05-01 and 2002-07-23 ?

      3. Why didn't Thorner file a motion to invalidate IMMR patent later after 2002-07-23 ?

      4. Why is Thorner "Patent" ( Application Number: 201584 ) still not granted ?
      Filed on 2002-07-23, published on 2003-02-27.

      5. When did Thorner start conversations with IMMR?

      6. Why and When did Thorner sign agreement in connection with IMMR v SNE lawsuit?

      7. Why did Thorner go after final judgment ("IMMR v SNE lawsuit") to SNE ?


      http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=1600540456&tid=immr&mid=46346&sid=1
      600540456


      http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=1600540456&tid=immr&mid=46372&sid=1
      600540456


      Epervier

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      • 7. Why did Thorner go after final judgment ("IMMR v SNE lawsuit") to SNE ?
        MONEY!! No telling what he got or is going to get if the Sony wins

      • Thank you epervier.

        your Posts with the timeline were two of the most useful Posts on the IMMR Board in some time. There have been others as well, but yours is very useful for multiple reasons.

        Extremely surprised that few engaged you on it, or even discussed it. There was so much mish-mash on minutia yesterday that the Post appears to have been ignored.

        My suggestion is to Post it again once a day for the rest of this week. Those are some facts that should be referenced when all of the hypotheses keep getting bounced arond.

    • "I think there are some that are intentionally MISLEADING on some of these Thorner hypothetical situations."

      How can you mislead with a hypothetical? Sony settling with IMMR is a hypothetical. Thorner trying to design around IMMR IP for the PS3 is a hypothetical. The judge lifting the stay is a hypothetical. Until news comes out relating to any of the above is a hypothetical. Is there something you would like to address specifically?

 
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