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  • watchingforawhile2003 watchingforawhile2003 Nov 14, 2003 11:44 AM Flag

    The Bellows Are Idle

    It is amazing that since PNR stock price has been heading upstream, the insults and doomsday theories have subsided.
    Where are the self proclaimed geniuses who act as if they know everything that they are the only ones qualified to run this businessm, yet produce nothing but criticism?
    Have you sunk in your hole because the business has gone on without you?
    I have watched and been disgusted for three years as those who have kept this company afloat have been bashed while those who have been removed for good reasons are gilded and set on a pedestal.
    I hope you enjoy eating the crow that you purchased with your severance check.

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    • watching...

      So, IYHO which is it? Psychological problems, colorful replies or both? As for profanity, if something looks like BS, sounds like BS, and smells like BS, it's usually BS. I have no problem calling it out either. Sometimes it's just saves keystrokes and is a little easier for others to understand.

      As for my mental state, let me assure you that it's in excellent shape.

      "...I just have a since of loyalty that can not be bottled up while the trash is being talked."

      That's ok. I understand you're loyal to DEVAP. It's something I can say I admire. We all are loyal to our companies (or should be). I am alert enough to see though that management skill, marketing creativity, and business acumen in ALL of the segments of the tool group are lacking. PC, Delta, DEVAP, Oldham - none are immune.(see, I could have said that everyone's S&%@ stinks - Same meaning, fewer keystrokes)

      "Many of the writers who are always downing the Dev side don't know us well or at all apparently."

      Do you think that the reverse may be true? Do you think that some may be very knowlegable about DEVAP and have daily and close contact? Perhaps some who may point out the flaws and fixes may have, at one point, worked for said company or even may been a customer? Anything is possible. I will say this though. From date of purchase to current, DEVAP as an organization, has resisted every attempt to fully integrate into the PTG. It may be cultural, it may be ego, or perhaps loyalty that continues to drive a wedge between the two large tool group camps. Has PC behaved arrogantly? In some cases, yes. Very much so. However, DEVAP management has been no less arrogant in their resistance to full integration. I cannot name one "D" executive I've worked with that isn't. Comments like "You PC guys don't know shit about selling equipment." (the executive's words, not mine) have been uttered in my presence. While not directed at me, I could see the fury in the face of the PC executive to which it was directed.

      "The advances in technology and product innovation have always been a step ahead and not a replication of what the other guy has to offer. Unfortunately that is never discussed."

      So let's discuss it here. The countless times I've been in the DEVAP plant, I'm amazed at the size and scope of the products that are quikly and efficiently (couple of exceptions) produced. There are truely reasons to sing the praised of DEVAP's manufacturing and engineering prowess. This picture is not a completely rosy one unfortunately. While a "dry" pump on a compressor is adequate for a homeowner, it has no place on a job site or an industrial setting. Outside of the clubs and Sears, DEVAP has the reputation of building cheap compressors. Not my words, customer's words. You have a great new oil bath pump now. It appears to be selling like wildfire. See what happens when you listen to those "...old tool guys"? They know a thing or two about tools and what will sell where.

      continued...

    • DeWalt has lost a lot of business at Depot due to the Ridgid program and they are trying to replace that business at the clubs. There's an internal DeWalt memo floating around that tells their sales organization that they're doing this. This is a change in strategy for them, as they have only sold indirectly to the clubs through distributors in the past. This includes Costco in addition to Sam's.

    • Well said, "watching...". You are the type we never hear from on this board, but the type we know exists within PNR.

      Thanks,
      An Investor
      (not an employee, disgruntled employee, disgruntled ex-employee, competitor, or relative of any of these)

    • That's cool, but I'll leave the pills for Rush. I'm sure that he's having withdrawls.

      As for your point of view of my psyche, I spend more time laughing at those who do have the psychological problems and the colorful replies such as the ones that fun2fly has to offer. I find it funny when someone resorts to profanity when they can't think of something better to say I have yet to waste my hate on people that I can not face, I just have a since of loyalty that can not be bottled up while the trash is being talked.

      I know all too well that many of the posts on here are not to be taken seriously, that reverts back to my original post. Most of what is laid out is hot air from disgruntled current and ex-employees; but, it is no excuse for their inept ability to realize that just because one of "the old tool guys" has been let go that the company is in trouble. Were still here!

      Many of the writers who are always downing the Dev side don't know us well or at all apparently. The advances in technology and product innovation have always been a step ahead and not a replication of what the other guy has to offer. Unfortunately that is never discussed. The judgement day advocates just want to believe that Dev is the biggest mistake and that it will be the end of Pentair.
      WRONG!
      What do I deliver? Results and the future my friend!

    • Was just in Sam's and noticed that DeWalt seems to have replace most of P-C's electric tools.

      Anyone know what happend here?

    • Delta has 3 sku's in HD -- 2 miter saws and 1 tennoning jig.

    • "Watching..."

      Your comment:

      "...I have watched and been disgusted for three years as those who have kept this company afloat have been bashed while those who have been removed for good reasons are gilded and set on a pedestal."

      I wish you'd be more specific as to whom you are referring when you say, "...those who have kept this company afloat have been bashed...".

      The only executive that I can think of who has been criticized and is still with the organization is Hogan and IMHO, he has deserved the criticism.

      If you happen to be referring to Hogan and the other PNR Officers, their job is NOT to, "...keep this company afloat..." -- his position and responsibility to the shareholders and employees is much more dynamic than "...just keeping it afloat...".

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      • AAH! The voice of reason returns! Nice to hear from golfpro.

        "The only executive that I can think of who has been critized and is still with the organization is Hogan and IMHO, he has deserved the criticism."

        While I agree that Hogan has deserved the criticism that you and I and others have leveled, that statement is not entirely true, however. I have been very critical of the "plumbers" currently running the tool division. As for "watching's" precious "D" management, well - they are ok at Sears, Costco, Sam's, HD & Lowes. As for the rest of the industry - clueless.

      • I'll just say that I am not referring to Hogan, but the lower, upper level guys that have come in since the removal of the crooks... oops, I mean "ethically challenged businessmen".

    • watchingforawhile2003 watchingforawhile2003 Nov 21, 2003 10:14 AM Flag

      If you have sold and moved on then why are you still here?

    • Boy, you really know your stuff!!! If you think the Delta brand is "saved" I've got an Edsel I'd like to sell you. You won't find any Delta product in Home Depot, and a shrinking amount at a pissed off Lowes. (you remember, the same Lowes your buddy Chatel committed an exclusive to and turned around and sold the same sku's to Home Depot last Christmas.) Must be that ingenious "D" marketing strategy. BUT, I like your logic!!!!!

    • I'm sorry, I just gotta get in on this one...

      Here you "tool guys" go again. I thought the idea was to make money (who cares whether it's for the consumer or pro). Last I saw, DeVilbiss made big money.

      I know, I know PC is the greatest and the bright people at the other divisions are a bunch of losers, we've heard that refrain more times than we can count from you egocentrics from the forever underperforming PC. Last I saw PC was and always have been a weak No. 4 player (so much for your pomposity regarding brand). I will really hack you off by telling you the better brand for the buck is Delta, anyway. We all know what you "tool guys" did to that group before Chatel (a "Dev" guy), came and saved it. Oh well, none of this matters to you as you will always see it from your own jaded viewpoint.

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