Over time, reading these messages, it seems a number of people have serious complaints against ASE's management. Maybe these complaints have some justification, maybe not. However, I rarely read any detailed exlanation or justification for these complaints, and it SEEMS that those voicing these complaints still own stock in the company. Let's read some detailed justifications for these complaints and let's pass them on to the Board of Directors. If you can't do this, quit your whining.