"I just know you are right, that a hydrogen infrastructure is going to be developed that is so safe no one will ever get hurt."
Now *you* sound like the villiage idiot. The standard never has been and never will be "no one ever gets hurt". Your implicit suggestion that the only way we can hope to run our society is on fossil fuels remains stupid. You and your ilk are a menace to future generations. Note that urban kids with asthma are being hurt by fossil fuel combustion emissions right now, and now one accounts for that.
"hyperbole2000" had it exactly right in saying that "Where there is a will there is a way". Establishing a new energy infrastructure can't be done so easily once the old one becomes too expensive due to scarcity - there is no guarantee that it *can* be done with the proverbial gun to our head. It has to be done eventually, since fossil fuel are finite. I don't want to see us have to go through a dark age because arrogant, self-centered
"Your propagandizing that this is going to be cheap, safe and we are all going to live in your vision of Eden."
I never said it would be "cheap". I said it could be done at acceptable cost. And once there is fair accounting of all of the costs of fossil fuel dependence (blood as well as treasure), the cost of safe fittings for H2 connections and passive ventilation of leaks will look even lower - cheap even. *Your* vision of Eden (tooling around burning lots of gasoline in a big block V-8) is revolting.
Instead of saying "It just isn't that big a deal" I should have said that finding ways of handling H2 safely, once the decision is made to do it on a large scale and to do the necessary groundwork to allow it, won't be that difficult. This isn't Cyclon B or concentrated HCL we are talking about. Exposure to to H2, in itself, is harmless. H2 has distinctive properties that can readily be exploited to help ensure the needed level of safety. Containing H2 and designing systems to vent leaks safely, all at acceptable cost, will not be that difficult for a civilization with our capabilities. It is not something that will happen overnight, it will happen over a generation. We damn well better get busy. Your bull
For once I'm going to come to Redstone's defense. B.T. certainly does project himself to be some grumpy old curmudgeon that really has no concern for the future of humanity or the planet. I recall him actually citing that (paraphrased) "he wouldn't be around by the time a Hydrogen economy matured". That of course gives a rationalization to his perspective. Wich many of us agree is really the preponderance of his arguments. Nonetheless, even the devil needs an advocate, so while I do not agree with his views , I have to remember that the same people that voted for a third string actor to be the puppet of the GOP and special interests, probably think like B.T. Now that is scary. No wonder the majority of the population of humanity views us with contempt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and passing out rice and macaroni, does not give a nation the license to be arrogant and thumb their nose at the rest of the world. Just some food for thought.
I can't bebieve that Super Dave is tooting the hydrogen horn on the Ballard board. Well good for you Super , you have seen the light.As for you Billy Tar
<Meanwhile the local board idiot is going to use a sensor and a fan in his garage. >
The only idiot on this board is you. You don't have many fans on this board....if any at all.
When the Japanese seized all of the natural rubber plantations during WWII we invented synthetic rubber to tire our war machine. Where there is a will there is a way. It is unfortunate that we need a gun to our head to develop the will.
< < The suggestion that we are incapable of developing the technology to contain H2 and otherwise deal with it safely at acceptable cost is stupid. It just isn't that big a deal. > >
Spoken like a true fool. David your politics has everything to do with it. You have chosen an end result and damn the torpedoes and anyone who tells you "you may be wrong." Your propagandizing that this is going to be cheap, safe and we are all going to live in your vision of Eden. Well David, you cannot tell the truth. If you did, some of your groupies would go away. So you need to keep up calling everyone names who disagrees with your views.
I just know you are right, that a hydrogen infrastructure is going to be developed that is so safe no one will ever get hurt. Meanwhile the local board idiot is going to use a sensor and a fan in his garage. You see David, you need look no further. His system will be cheap.
"I have disagreed with your politics as you have disagreed with mine. No problem."
What the hell does politics have to do with the subject at hand?
You said earlier "It is also obvious that you have never worked with hydrogen. You can always tell those who haven't."
Right, you're the big man who has worked with H2. What B.S. Whatever experience you may or may not have had with H2 in an industrial context is utterly irrelevant here.
Here's a little clue for you: No one has ever worked with H2 in the context of an H2 infrastructure designed and engineered for consumers and rolled out for use by consumers because no such infrastructure has ever been designed, engineered or rolled out.
The suggestion that we are incapable of developing the technology to contain H2 and otherwise deal with it safely at acceptable cost is stupid. It just isn't that big a deal.
You are a poser and an obstructionist, nothing more.
P.S. Your politics ("let's just keep burning hydrocarbons until they are all gone, until we can't breath anymore, until the Arabs turn off the tap or until we have disturbed every ecosystem on earth digging them up and only then start working on a replacement") are idiotic and will be the undoing of us all if they are allowed to prevail.