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  • levycarni levycarni Sep 12, 2013 7:21 AM Flag

    Fact-Checking the Global Warming Deniers

    Beware of these oft-repeated talking points. None of them are true...(The truth has never interested conservative idiots before so this is no surprise to anyone Rolling Stone)

    1. There's more ice in Antarctica than ever.
    The past few years have seen an expansion of Antarctica's coastal ice sheets – a byproduct, ironically, of climate change, which has brought increased snow and rainfall to the continent. Meanwhile, Antarctica's inland ice sheets are melting at an alarming rate – 1,350 billion tons of ice disappeared into the ocean between 1992 and 2011. And that rate is increasing, fueling global rises in sea level.

    Are the Pole's Great Glaciers Beyond Saving?

    2. The climate may be changing, but human activity has nothing to do with it.
    Many skeptics claim that ice ages have come and gone over the millennia, and global warming is no different. But those earlier climate shifts were caused by phenomena like changes in the Earth's orbit. The current rise in global temperatures has coincided with a nearly 40 percent rise in CO2 levels over the past 150 years.

    Greenland's Melting Ice Sheets: Climate Changes' Disastrous Effects

    3. Whatever happens, we can adapt.
    True, perhaps, for rich countries. But the worst impacts of climate change – drought, famine, disease – will disproportionately strike the poorest nations. And even the well-off will be hit hard: Between 2011 and 2012, the U.S. government dished out more than $100 billion in climate-related emergency spending.

    Why We Can't Count on Evolution to Counterbalance Climate Change

    4. The pace of warming has slowed significantly in the past 15 years.
    This may be true for the Earth's surface, but, according to NASA's Josh Willis, it doesn't tell the whole story, because "over 90 percent of the heat trapped by global warming is going into the oceans."

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    • levycarni said (quoting ROlling Stone): "Meanwhile, Antarctica's inland ice sheets are melting at an alarming rate…And that rate is increasing, fueling global rises in sea level."

      Then why isn't sea level rise accelerating?

"Are the Pole's Great Glaciers Beyond Saving?"

      Beyond saving? They are completely intact at this point. Baseless alarmism.

"The current rise in global temperatures has coincided with a nearly 40 percent rise in CO2 levels over the past 150 years."

      I love it when the hucksters go for 150 years. There was no major CO2 boost by man till post WWII. By going back 150 years, you're admitting that nature was having a go at it all by itself.

      "Between 2011 and 2012, the U.S. government dished out more than $100 billion in climate-related emergency spending."

      Relatively speaking, they did the same 100 years ago. Weather causes disasters, always has. They main difference is that we build more in flood zones, and we build more, and more expensive stuff. Simply putting out a price tag is idiotic. Besides, the hucksters want to spend trillions, with little likelihood of changing anything.

"over 90 percent of the heat trapped by global warming is going into the oceans."

      Why can't they show it?

    • levy,

      Rolling Stone is where you get your talking points? Really?

      Regarding ice mass in Antarctica...
      The latest expert report by Jay Zwally of NASA Goddard using the latest ICEsat data and presented last September shows that the Grace satellite data was wrong due to calibration/sensor errors. This data was used at the last Copenhagen conference to show that Antarctica was losing mass. The most correct data shows that Antarctica actually GAINED mass from 1992 to 2011 at an average rate of 86 gigatons per year. This would put 2012 data as the highest ice mass in recorded history.

      Regarding the global temperature rising coincidentally with a nearly 40% rise in CO2 levels the past 140 years...
      Well no...not really. The CO2 has increased only in the last 70 years but the temperature has been rising for the last 140 years. There is not a scientist in the world that can definitively say that we are, or are not, still recovering from the LIA as we are not yet as warm as we were prior to the LIA. This makes the above comment 100% speculation.

      You need to stay on top of the complete story. Not just the media's talking points...

      Regards,

      JJ

 
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