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  • dmouse666 dmouse666 Jan 29, 2005 12:03 PM Flag

    Major changes in CIC

    How come that no one has reported yet the shake down that started happening yesterday (Friday Jan 28) in CIC.

    It seems that every manager has been asked to cut one member of his/her group.

    Any more insider information about that ?

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    dmouse

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    • >Yes, the only thing that is left is a >clueless GM and a bunch of VPs from the >acquisition:)

      Problem is NOT the GM or VPs but lower mgt. You seem to be the old management's boy. Stop crying and srop your "agenda".

    • >>No Operations AND no R&D?
      Is anything left?


      Yes, the only thing that is left is a clueless GM and a bunch of VPs from the acquisition:)

    • >>>Operations is a must, it is only a matter of time before someone realizes depending completely on R&D is a mistake.<<<

      No Operations AND no R&D?
      Is anything left?

    • it's not just CIC, DFM lost all of its operations as well. Most everything is in India or Moscow. All braintrust on the release process from the operations perspective is lost. The only place I know that operations was saved was in ICD, and even that is questionable (who knows how long it will be before it is pushed to India).

    • >>>Operations is a must, it is only a matter of time before someone realizes depending completely on R&D is a mistake.

      I completely agree. Unfortunately with the departure of Fred Sendig, Udi Landen and Susan Raam, There is no one else in CIC who knows how the release process should work. CIC has no operation management in place any more. It is just the matter of time that the customers feel the quality issues in CIC products.

    • Test engineers are by default very distructive personalities. Bill is correct, we relish finding issues with code that has "passed" initial QA by R&D. When I said you can't really teach this, what I meant was that the attitude needed to be a good test engineer is something you are born with. We were the ones tearing apart transistor radio's at a young age to see how they worked. When the self check out at wal*mart craps out, we are the first ones trying to find out what was missed in the testing, and why it was released with such poor quality.

      Breaking code is easy, understanding how to do is another thing. Today, Cadence is in conflict in many area's, there is no seperation between operations and R&D (wait, there is no operations!), so R&D is doing the test analysis. I fear that in some cases, tests and code will be written to facilitate passing tests. This will most likely been seen by the customer out of the box at Beta (if there is one, yet another thing that goes by the way side..)

      Operations is a must, it is only a matter of time before someone realizes depending completely on R&D is a mistake.

    • I've been a customer beta tester for different CIC tools, and my mentality hasn't been to try & find someone else's errors. I just want to be able to do real work on the software. So what I do is, I draw up a list of all the tasks I need to be able to do, and I do it on the beta platform. And compare with the baseline. If I miss an error, fine--I didn't need it anyway.

    • halloweenhootinnanny wrote:
      ++++
      Quality/Test is not something you teach, you either know how or you do not. You can tell when you get someone who knows what they are doing, it is why most feel they need to do their own "testing".

      Cadence has jumped from mandating the hiring of design engineers to do test to CS majors, never really investing in people who just do test.
      ++++

      I have to disagree, in part. You can teach someone to be a good tester. It is a matter of them learning process and discipline. Too many people validate a few differences and assume the rest must be correct as well. Or they convert a customer testcase into a regression test that checks for the specific failure mode of the bug report, but don't add checks that all the results are the same.

      What I have to agree with is the lack of background. Without background, they do not understand how to test new functionality the way a customer will use it, which makes progression tests useless. The successful QA people I have worked with all had circuit and layout design experience from having worked for our customers. That alone did not make them succeed, but the ones that did were the ones who added the process and discipline to their experience.

      I wish I had one of those now. :(

    • I agree with Ed on this, there are folks who just do not get it, and those who do. It is however a conflict of interest to have R&D do all of the testing. You need someone who understands how to test code like a customer would use it, push the boundaries - do this before the customer does it because you know they will.

      Quality/Test is not something you teach, you either know how or you do not. You can tell when you get someone who knows what they are doing, it is why most feel they need to do their own "testing".

      Cadence has jumped from mandating the hiring of design engineers to do test to CS majors, never really investing in people who just do test.

      It is never a good idea to have R&D test their own code, beyond unit testing, and then in DFM, it is often not very good (ed you were the exception to this )

    • heart burn.
      post has merit,but light bends back in time.

      The industry is not innoviative. Rather, the industry is profit taking. The key word is 'taking'.

      The 'sight' is lost. Folks can bring those key elements back to the home park, but they are not considering that facet.

      War out there.. Young folks with more to lose, makes this pretty trivial.
      edado

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