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  • InvestmentGuru2001 InvestmentGuru2001 Oct 30, 2002 6:26 PM Flag


    What are you, a total idiot? Or only a partial one?

    SUNW's market cap at $3 a share is over $10 billion. ASCL at 3 would be worth about $650 million. ASCL has about $500 million in cash. SUNW has $6.0 billion. SUNW sells about $11 billion in product each year. ASCL sells about $100 million.

    Do you honestly think that stock prices of these two companies equate the same value? Put down that joint your smoking, stop popping those happy pills and mainlining your daily fix.

    ASCL is no SUNW -- never was, never will be.

    Now, go get a life!

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    • Correct me if I am wrong but was not SUN's cap about 300 billion some 2 years ago.Nice move you made buying another EMC which has no chance to survive as a large cap stock.They have been drained of business,cash and you are dreaming if you think they will ever come back again.Meanwhile ASCL is a new revived company with no debt,or by the way did you leave out SUN's debt or do you want us to believe they are debt free.ASCL is only at cash value at this time,I guess there is no money for their technology.I was like you thinking all these big stocks would come back but they are dinosaurs,and will make room for the new technology companies that are coming on the radar screen now.You are the one that needs to get a life outside ASCL,I cannot understand your reasoning and believe me I have tried.I told you yesterday to buy and you are not paying attention.This is being done without company help.Adamo

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      • ASCL is just as much an "old technology" company as is SUNW? In fact, one might argue that ASCL has no technology anyone wants, unlike SUNW which is still selling $11 billion dollars in hardware and services each year.

        Yes SUNW has some debt -- about $1.5 billion, but do you realize that SUNW is spending more than $2 billion a year on R&D? I'd hardly call them a dinosaur. They are truly cutting edge. I mean think of it -- SUNW spends 20 times in one year on R&D than ASCL generates in revenue? How much does ASCL spend on R&D and what are they buying for their investment? ZIP, NADA, ZERO! In fact, virtually all their R&D staff left with the IBM deal, and those that are left are low level programmers, NOT RESEARCHERS.

        I'm thoroughly convinced that there is no convincing you that this company has imploded, and its future is questionable. Once you have a reality check, stop the wishing thinking, and recognize the facts, you'll come to an intelligent conclusion. ASCL is a dead POS!

        I suggest you "sell" your stock while it still has some value.

    • sunw worth only 3

    • Seems like we hit a nerve, eh IG? Those massive financial losses you have taken on SUNW really strikes a chord.

      You are absolutely correct, for once. At least on one hand. SUNW's stock price of $2.85 compared to ASCL's stock price of $2.49 do not equate to the same value. SUNW's stock represents a 90%+ loss for an investor who bought the stock 2 years ago, an 80%+ loss for those that did a year ago, and a 64+% loss for those that bought it 6 months ago.

      ASCL, on the other hand, equates to a 64%+ loss over two years, a 50% loss over the last year, and a 28% loss over the last 6 months.

      Obviously, for the INVESTOR (which, in reality, is all WE care about), ASCL has been the much better INVESTMENT.

      So, you are correct. ASCL is no SUNW. And, from the INVESTOR's perspective, we all hope they never will be.

      Let's face reality... While SUNW may be a great company, from a VALUE perspective, they are the very definition of what it mean's to be horrible!!!

      Nice to see, however, you finally admitting that ASCL has $500 million in cash.


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